Tailhookah

How some quickly forget our sins of the past. 1 minute prior to Covid happening we still had a concessionary contract left over from 14-15 years ago. Don’t ever agree to concessions. We have a contract. The floor has never been tested until now. It’s working.

Hank Kingsley

Might as well retire, the EU is going to ban us from flying there. Darn hoax.

MOTOJOE

this is not true! Only aprox 3/4 of the 777 pilots moved to a350 which is a life changing event in its own right! Then from there every one that was half way up the a350 list fell down thus a cascade. Not to mention the UNA at the bottom soon to be let go unless things change. Just go to MD list and count who’s not in there same seat anymore. So a little less temporary and I said temporary ALV beats loss of seat pay, going back to Atlanta for training, etc IMO!

notEnuf

So now we are paying with concessions for the cancellation of the MOAD, not the early out or furlough protection? That was the easiest pressure tactic to create in this "crisis." Didn't the last bid get cancelled for extenuating circumstances? I think we will have more circumstances in our future. Be careful what you are willing to move off your positions for.

Denny Crane

But as far as the contract goes, it is a concession. Is the company getting relief? That is a concession no different than lowering the percentage Delta pilots fly in a JV.

Denny

GogglesPisano

They are looking a few more years down the road. Those retiring by next May are not being targeted (but will be included.)

GogglesPisano

I'd be okay with that if they could guarantee a MOAD rebid. But they can't. The 88/90's, 777's, CVG are all gone. People are being displaced.

Displacement + ALV reduction = Hell No.

Karnak

Source?

My reps say they haven't spoken with you.

After you read my intro comments below that question your record as an interpreter of the will of our pilot group. please weigh-in on the questions that follow.

Your record is roughly 1-15. You called the failed TA a few years ago correctly. That's it. You famously opposed a couple stupendously "no brainer" agreements that were ratified by well over 80% of the pilots. You predicted that American was going to "clean our clocks" about a year before they went into Chapter 11. You predicted the pilot group would rise up, install DPA, and squash the "bloated blob" ALPA. That was about a year before you went to the ALPA BOD to serve as the bartender for ALPA. I'm assigning a Credibility Index of .067, although I fully acknowledge you could be correct about our pilot group today not wanting concessions.

Here's the rub: "Concessions" is a squishy term. You were very vocal back at NWA when the Monthly Cap was raised from 75 to 80...claiming it was a "concession". Ditto the contract extension in 2003 that gave us a 10% pay increase in exchange for simply extending our amendable date.

The questions: Were increases to permitted flying a concession? If the pilot group can get longterm improvements to our PWA as part of a short-term reduction in the ALV, would that be a concession? Should Delta be compared directly to other airlines in all matters of pilot actions?*


* Caution! This works in both directions!

MOTOJOE

This cracks me up. No one knows what’s in EO. But we are all fighting over it. Bottom line no concessions no memrat. If MEC thinks there is concessions than we might vote on it. But don’t be so sure there will be memrat!

MOTOJOE

Back to the big question. Did all the reps have their conference over the EO yesterday? If so when will it be out for viewing?