Early Out,Retirement,Furlough Negotiation
06-17-2020, 09:22 AM
#342
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This MEC has postured itself to be the ‘no concessions, ever’ MEC. If this agreement, if it ever happens, has even a smidgen of something that looks remotely like a give of any kind on our side they will be lambasted by the ‘no concessions’ torch-and-pitchfork crowd, and be sent packing during the next election, or possibly recalled, thereby losing both their credibility and their sweet 94 hr/mo FPL.
The problem with talking real tough and dealing in absolutes is that one day you have to live up to all the talk.
The problem with talking real tough and dealing in absolutes is that one day you have to live up to all the talk.
06-17-2020, 09:25 AM
#343
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I realize this may not exactly follow, I beg forgiveness up front. It appears at least Endeavor is rather serious about no furloughs. They have very few mandatory retirements either. Granted they arent flying the hard up widebody market, but they appear to be all hands on deck pilot wise. I cant really speak for Republic or Skywest.
So is this indicative of anything? Are the RJs gonna lead the charge back while we furlough? I could definitely see that happening.
So is this indicative of anything? Are the RJs gonna lead the charge back while we furlough? I could definitely see that happening.
06-17-2020, 09:32 AM
#344
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This MEC has postured itself to be the ‘no concessions, ever’ MEC. If this agreement, if it ever happens, has even a smidgen of something that looks remotely like a give of any kind on our side they will be lambasted by the ‘no concessions’ torch-and-pitchfork crowd, and be sent packing during the next election, or possibly recalled.
The problem with talking real tough and dealing in absolutes is that one day you have to live up to all the talk.
The problem with talking real tough and dealing in absolutes is that one day you have to live up to all the talk.
What did AA and SWA give to get their early out offers?
06-17-2020, 09:41 AM
#345
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Yes, that is correct and rightfully so. Why the hell would we give anything to give more? It’s very simple. Does the company want to save money? Are they willing to offer early outs or SILs to save money? We know the answer to half of that. Will the early outs be equivalent to SWA or AA? That is the bar that has been set.
What did AA and SWA give to get their early out offers?
What did AA and SWA give to get their early out offers?
06-17-2020, 09:46 AM
#346
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I’ll mark you down in the surrender monkey column. Why on earth would we accept anything less than either of those? Or accept either with concessions? We don’t need the early out. It’s questionable at best if it saves any jobs. It absolutely saves the company money and guys take a pay hit to do it. So if anything, it should be a pretty sweet deal to inventive is to take the hit. Other wise why not stay and make 15+ more hours a month to sit reserve on a fleet that isn’t flying for the next year?
06-17-2020, 09:50 AM
#347
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Thesaurus time
that and a heavy dose of the usual politically motivated monkey motions in closed session. SMH
06-17-2020, 10:00 AM
#348
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See this is what I like. A guy says something, fishforfun comes out and over reacts and says something identifying himself as dick. Now I know, unless I agree 100%, not 98% or 97% he is completely incapable of having an adult conversation
You all complain about this stuff but the truth is we need guys like this be open about their attitude.
Thank you fish, I appreciate the heads up.
You all complain about this stuff but the truth is we need guys like this be open about their attitude.
Thank you fish, I appreciate the heads up.
06-17-2020, 10:04 AM
#349
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
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See this is what I like. A guy says something, fishforfun comes out and over reacts and says something identifying himself as dick. Now I know, unless I agree 100%, not 98% or 97% he is completely incapable of having an adult conversation
You all complain about this stuff but the truth is we need guys like this be open about their attitude.
Thank you fish, I appreciate the heads up.
You all complain about this stuff but the truth is we need guys like this be open about their attitude.
Thank you fish, I appreciate the heads up.
06-17-2020, 10:06 AM
#350
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I’ll mark you down in the surrender monkey column. Why on earth would we accept anything less than either of those? Or accept either with concessions? We don’t need the early out. It’s questionable at best if it saves any jobs. It absolutely saves the company money and guys take a pay hit to do it. So if anything, it should be a pretty sweet deal to inventive is to take the hit. Other wise why not stay and make 15+ more hours a month to sit reserve on a fleet that isn’t flying for the next year?
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