contrails12

plenty of blame to go around on that one, including the nursing homes. But for sure people should be held accountable. The decision makers were in the areas first hard hit and were very concerned about hospital bed space. Nursing homes are medical facilities. They made imperfect decisions with incomplete information available.

since you’ve moved on from spreading misinformation and moved on to finger pointing let me ask you this: Would holding a political rally indoors be a “vector” for the virus? Would it be good judgment to hold such a rally today or last month knowing what we know now about the spread of the virus?

Planetrain

I did 2558 pilots, $147.99/hr (3rd year 717B), 72 hours, 16%DC, 8% employer employment tax, $1000/mo benefits by employer WAG (life insurance, medical premiums, etc)

I get $440M for 12 months.

contrails12

I pared down your quote of the UMN to the points I was trying to make before. You didn't address the fact that the other linked article (your source) definitively stated masks are effective source control. You also did not address my other point that these article are from April and there have since been more conclusive studies on the efficacy of masks.

Sorry I confused you with the go hide under your bed insult throwing guy. You're the: you lack reading comprehension and literally believe taxes are akin to slavery, right?

Nantonaku

Please listen to this guy’s podcast about masks. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...9/id1504360345

Phins2right

And one JV was what, like 2 Billion plus? 440M is a drop in the bucket compared to that. Won't matter, management will furlough. Just how many remains to be seen.

Mesabah

No, but the people attending that rally had a choice, the people in the nursing homes did not.

Also, the nursing homes are not to blame, the governors ordered them to accept the patients, or face criminal prosecution.

Phins2right

Surprisingly CNN was dragging Cuomo thru the mud today about the nursing home massacres. About time. He needs to answer for his actions.

SawF16

Wait, is the coronavirus a hoax/fake news or is it actually something that kills humans after all?

beis77

To them, I’m sure it’s just cost savings pure and simple/numbers on a spreadsheet. If it’s more cost effective to cut people than keep people on property then they’ll furlough. If it’s more cost effective to keep people, then they won’t. If they can get those same savings via voluntary cuts (VEOP, or if the group agrees to concessions) then I’m sure they’d be happy to go that route to avoid the negativity of a furlough. If we don’t “play ball”, then I definitely think they’ll furlough, and we’ll be painted as the guilty party (“those greedy pilots would rather eat their young than save jobs”).

If the current VEOP numbers hold or continue to increase, my WAG is that they end up furloughing between 2000 - 2100 pilots total and spare the extra as a buffer, ready to phase out the rest as needed based on requirements. I think they’ll try to release as many VEOPs as quickly as they can, but that will be a process, ensuring their replacements are in place. My guess is they release roughly 2/3rds of the VEOPs by next summer and furlough the remaining difference (~2100) down to the 10,069 requirement number we’ve been hearing about this October. I think they’ll take a training time out next summer, hold what they got, and release the rest of the VEOPs next fall, bringing the numbers even lower. One sentence that’s been bugging me in BS’s first email to us explaining the MOAD, said they want 9400 active pilots in Q3 2021. I think this is how they get there. They attrit VEOPs and regular mandatory retirements (non-VEOPs that chose to stick around) for that last 6-700 pilots down to 9400 next fall. And then they’ll start recalling furloughs early winter 2022 to plus back up to 10,100 for summer 2022.

Thats my best guess, again, it’s a WAG, and it assumes their goals are 10,069 active pilots summer 2021, 9400 active pilots Q3 2021, 10,100 active pilots summer 2022, with 1700ish VEOPs and about 2100 furloughs. I’m sure how this actually plays out will vary greatly based on how quickly/slowly they can release VEOPs, and how the economic recovery plays out over the next several months as well.

Gone Flying

how can you blame the nursing homes when they were ordered under threat of criminal prosecution to accept these patients? Yes they are medical facilities but they are specifically for housing people who were the most vulnerable to COVID-19 (and that was known at the time that these were the most vulnerable people) this decision literally killed thousands but is largely ignored. Blame for this lies solely at the feet of the politicians that made this decision

Comparing somewhere where everyone has the choice to go to to a place where we house our most vulnerable population is an asinine comparison. But if political rallies in a controlled environment are bad, you must be vehemently against BLM rally’s given there was far less done to keep sick people away, right?