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Lou Reed 07-07-2020 02:22 PM

And END people, if nonreving, are probably to or from making money for the mothership. That should count for something.

LumberJack 07-07-2020 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by Lou Reed (Post 3087564)
And END people, if nonreving, are probably to or from making money for the mothership. That should count for something.

Ask an XJT nonrev if they get priority over UAL nonrevs on UAL aircraft. EDV should not go ahead of DL nonrevs (parents, retirees) on DL aircraft. Period.

CBreezy 07-07-2020 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 3087589)
Ask an XJT nonrev if they get priority over UAL nonrevs on UAL aircraft. EDV should not go ahead of DL nonrevs (parents, retirees) on DL aircraft. Period.

Cherry pick much? Since we are all of a sudden trying to be like AA, ask them if their WO ever go ahead of their employees, including active

Mesabah 07-07-2020 03:29 PM

I think the issue is that 9E's software is a different vendor from Delta, so it's outside of Delta IT's ability to determine non-rev priority, if/when a 9E pilot is commuting to work or not. The only reason 9E has these passes over retirees, is that Delta has a no-involuntary bump policy. So, 9E pilots using positive space on the next flight were bumping revenue passengers.

LumberJack 07-07-2020 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3087591)
Cherry pick much? Since we are all of a sudden trying to be like AA, ask them if their WO ever go ahead of their employees, including active

Their WO's go ahead of mainline on mainlin flights? I highly doubt that. Their JS is first come first serve and not what we're talking about here. Just look at our system before DL made this change just last year. That's how it should be now.

LumberJack 07-07-2020 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3087592)
I think the issue is that 9E's software is a different vendor from Delta, so it's outside of Delta IT's ability to determine non-rev priority, if/when a 9E pilot is commuting to work or not. The only reason 9E has these passes over retirees, is that Delta has a no-involuntary bump policy. So, 9E pilots using positive space on the next flight were bumping revenue passengers.

That's an interesting theory and makes sense. It doesn't give them the right to ruin our parent's and retiree's benefits though. After spending 6+ years at the regionals, it always made sense to us. Putting EDV ahead of DL retirees and parents does not.

Gone Flying 07-07-2020 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 3087597)
Their WO's go ahead of mainline on mainlin flights? I highly doubt that. Their JS is first come first serve and not what we're talking about here. Just look at our system before DL made this change just last year. That's how it should be now.


all AAL/envoy/PSA/Piedmont employees travel at the same priority based on time of checkin. (Equivalent to S3, called D2)

I personally like TOC better because it gives you a better idea ahead of time where you stand on the priority list

AAs jumpseat is TOC (AA first, then WO) up to (I think 10) days prior regardless of commuting status

Gone Flying 07-07-2020 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 3087602)
That's an interesting theory and makes sense. It doesn't give them the right to ruin our parent's and retiree's benefits though. After spending 6+ years at the regionals, it always made sense to us. Putting EDV ahead of DL retirees and parents does not.

why should my parents, who never set foot on delta property as an employee, go ahead of someone who works for a wholly owned company of ours who exclusively flies our passengers?

LumberJack 07-07-2020 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3087623)
all AAL/envoy/PSA/Piedmont employees travel at the same priority based on time of checkin. (Equivalent to S3, called D2)

I personally like TOC better because it gives you a better idea ahead of time where you stand on the priority list

AAs jumpseat is TOC (AA first, then WO) up to (I think 10) days prior regardless of commuting status

I used to commute on AA. People would "check-in" from RDU for a flight from ORD-PHL. Neither system is perfect, but I prefer ours. Especially when I'm old and don't want to game the system just to have a chance.

Further, EDV aren't even equals on mainline, that would be an improvement. They go ahead of mainline retirees and parents.

LumberJack 07-07-2020 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3087627)
why should my parents, who never set foot on delta property as an employee, go ahead of someone who works for a wholly owned company of ours who exclusively flies our passengers?

Because that's the benefit we all signed up for. EDV employees get the same benefit when they move on.


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