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08-02-2020, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RAH RAH REE
https://youtu.be/r8UP0Squ3pc
Great discussion with one of the top vaccine doctors about warp speed. Basically the pharma companies are being paid by the government to full scale produce vaccines while running Phase 3 trials. Phase 3 trials should be completed around the spring if done right, possibly by years end.
Phase 2 was skipped but that phase is gererally to mitigate financial risk to the drug companies.
Great discussion with one of the top vaccine doctors about warp speed. Basically the pharma companies are being paid by the government to full scale produce vaccines while running Phase 3 trials. Phase 3 trials should be completed around the spring if done right, possibly by years end.
Phase 2 was skipped but that phase is gererally to mitigate financial risk to the drug companies.
Fascinating. Worth the watch. Much more confident in the process.
I wasn't feeling much love with the "years end" scenario. ("remarkably optimistic") Sounded like next spring was far more likely.
Length of the effectiveness is anyone's guess. 6 months - 2 years? Forever? No one knows, the disease is too new. Interesting times. Pretty good discussion at the lack of trust out there because of left/right politics.
Also sounds like masks/hygiene aren't going away anytime soon. Which would suggest the middle seats stay open. Sigh.
08-02-2020, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RAH RAH REE
https://youtu.be/r8UP0Squ3pc
Great discussion with one of the top vaccine doctors about warp speed. Basically the pharma companies are being paid by the government to full scale produce vaccines while running Phase 3 trials. Phase 3 trials should be completed around the spring if done right, possibly by years end.
Phase 2 was skipped but that phase is gererally to mitigate financial risk to the drug companies.
Great discussion with one of the top vaccine doctors about warp speed. Basically the pharma companies are being paid by the government to full scale produce vaccines while running Phase 3 trials. Phase 3 trials should be completed around the spring if done right, possibly by years end.
Phase 2 was skipped but that phase is gererally to mitigate financial risk to the drug companies.
He doesn't mention Fauci has patents on the some of the delivery systems being used. Stands to split 50/50. No conflicts of interest there - no.
They're going to inject you with junk that has about as much success as you dying from the virus itself. Your immune system is 99.74% effective at combating the virus for 97% of the US population.
Look at the 3rd world, why are their cases so low? Interesting don't you think? I'm not an anit vax. This thing however, is a setup for failure health wise. It's a $$$$ pass thru that will make some people very wealthy and companies will rake in massive profits. For nothing. You've all been played.
08-02-2020, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by deltabound
So, typical infinitely shallow internet reporting. I should know better than this.
As to the vaccine: Beats me how quickly they can ramp up production. A line about the Moderna vaccine here:
"The company remains on track to be able to deliver approximately 500 million doses per year, and possibly up to 1 billion doses per year, beginning in 2021," Moderna said.
Approximately. Possibly. Beginning (next year). - Then halve those numbers for that vaccine: it currently requires 2 doses to start with, and no one knows how long the vaccine will last before an additional booster will be needed.
It's a rush job, and there's every reason to believe that the FDA will shield pharma from liability because it's an emergency. Which means plenty of people in the US won't take it for all sorts of reasons (some good, some bad). Then there's the distribution angle, as well.
I want this thing to end ASAP. But I'm a bit flabbergasted we're several months into this and I can't find N95 masks being sold everywhere for 10 cents apiece by now. Actually can't find them anywhere. (!) I'm not expecting much more from a rush vaccine job.
As to the vaccine: Beats me how quickly they can ramp up production. A line about the Moderna vaccine here:
"The company remains on track to be able to deliver approximately 500 million doses per year, and possibly up to 1 billion doses per year, beginning in 2021," Moderna said.
Approximately. Possibly. Beginning (next year). - Then halve those numbers for that vaccine: it currently requires 2 doses to start with, and no one knows how long the vaccine will last before an additional booster will be needed.
It's a rush job, and there's every reason to believe that the FDA will shield pharma from liability because it's an emergency. Which means plenty of people in the US won't take it for all sorts of reasons (some good, some bad). Then there's the distribution angle, as well.
I want this thing to end ASAP. But I'm a bit flabbergasted we're several months into this and I can't find N95 masks being sold everywhere for 10 cents apiece by now. Actually can't find them anywhere. (!) I'm not expecting much more from a rush vaccine job.
The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 already shields companies making vaccines from being sued for design-defect. This was further emboldened by a Supreme Court decision in 2011.
08-02-2020, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Phins2right
He doesn't mention Fauci has patents on the some of the delivery systems being used. Stands to split 50/50. No conflicts of interest there - no.
08-02-2020, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
Link? All I can find are debunkings of conspiracy theories about this
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/anthony-s-fauci
TLDR is this:
Fauci owns a patent for a specific type of vaccine that packages a virus in a protein sheet. The virus is then delivered to the human body through this sheet.
Pfizer, Merck, GlaxoSmithKline, and Sanofi, are using his patented delivery system in their development of a china flu vaccine. If one of those four companies successfully develops a china flu vaccine, Fauci and the NIAID stand to collect at least 50% of royalties.
You have to do your research. You might actually be enlightened and stop swallowing the MSM pablum. It's all out there, you need to go forth.
Have fun.
08-02-2020, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Phins2right
Go here and get a medical professional or MD to decrypt it for you since you won't understand it:
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/anthony-s-fauci
TLDR is this:
Fauci owns a patent for a specific type of vaccine that packages a virus in a protein sheet. The virus is then delivered to the human body through this sheet.
Pfizer, Merck, GlaxoSmithKline, and Sanofi, are using his patented delivery system in their development of a china flu vaccine. If one of those four companies successfully develops a china flu vaccine, Fauci and the NIAID stand to collect at least 50% of royalties.
You have to do your research. You might actually be enlightened and stop swallowing the MSM pablum. It's all out there, you need to go forth.
Have fun.
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/anthony-s-fauci
TLDR is this:
Fauci owns a patent for a specific type of vaccine that packages a virus in a protein sheet. The virus is then delivered to the human body through this sheet.
Pfizer, Merck, GlaxoSmithKline, and Sanofi, are using his patented delivery system in their development of a china flu vaccine. If one of those four companies successfully develops a china flu vaccine, Fauci and the NIAID stand to collect at least 50% of royalties.
You have to do your research. You might actually be enlightened and stop swallowing the MSM pablum. It's all out there, you need to go forth.
Have fun.
i’m quite certain you don’t know the compensation scheme behind those patents, but that probably won’t stop you from pretending you do.
Last edited by OOfff; 08-02-2020 at 06:32 PM.
08-02-2020, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
since you want to act like a dick about a simple question and personally attack me, you might want to take the time to learn the difference between an inventor and a patent assignee (if you can even understand it). The US government owns the property rights to those patents, not fauci.
i’m quite certain you don’t know the compensation scheme behind those patents, but that probably won’t stop you from pretending you do.
i’m quite certain you don’t know the compensation scheme behind those patents, but that probably won’t stop you from pretending you do.
08-02-2020, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Phins2right
He doesn't mention Fauci has patents on the some of the delivery systems being used. Stands to split 50/50. No conflicts of interest there - no.
So you think now, at almost 80, he's decided it’s time to cash in?
08-03-2020, 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Phins2right
Go here and get a medical professional or MD to decrypt it for you since you won't understand it:
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/anthony-s-fauci
TLDR is this:
Fauci owns a patent for a specific type of vaccine that packages a virus in a protein sheet. The virus is then delivered to the human body through this sheet.
Pfizer, Merck, GlaxoSmithKline, and Sanofi, are using his patented delivery system in their development of a china flu vaccine. If one of those four companies successfully develops a china flu vaccine, Fauci and the NIAID stand to collect at least 50% of royalties.
You have to do your research. You might actually be enlightened and stop swallowing the MSM pablum. It's all out there, you need to go forth.
Have fun.
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/anthony-s-fauci
TLDR is this:
Fauci owns a patent for a specific type of vaccine that packages a virus in a protein sheet. The virus is then delivered to the human body through this sheet.
Pfizer, Merck, GlaxoSmithKline, and Sanofi, are using his patented delivery system in their development of a china flu vaccine. If one of those four companies successfully develops a china flu vaccine, Fauci and the NIAID stand to collect at least 50% of royalties.
You have to do your research. You might actually be enlightened and stop swallowing the MSM pablum. It's all out there, you need to go forth.
Have fun.
I posed this thought to my barber the other day after she told me “hydrocloroquine treats COVID and the government is hiding it from us”: “Think hard and long if you live in a world where persons or organizations like Dr Fauci, CDC, WHO, NIH are LYING to you and Trump or a ‘demon sperm’ doctor KNOWS BETTER THAN THEM.” I said to her, “If that’s your world then it’s a very scare one.” She agreed.
All that is happening here is scientists doing what scientists do: making recommendations based on the data. It is our fault if we demand answers don’t change. That’s just not reality.
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