Originally Posted by D B Cooper (Post 3101913)

99% sure it's where you are based. Everyone's warn letters at least those bases in SLC and NYC had unemployment info for those states.

Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 3101971)

Surprised the company is completely wrong?

Its the state you reside not your base.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3101847)

What many here can’t grasp is that management feels they are fighting for the survival of the business. It’s not a big plot to use a minor bump in the road to lower the ALV for a year.

Originally Posted by Vsop (Post 3101987)

correct. The easy to think of it is you get unemployment benefits from taxes so, in my case I live in MN and pay state tax that’s where my normal unemployment will come from. I’m based in CA and they take a tax Above and beyond normal income tax to fund their paid family leave. I believe NYs program works the same way. There fore I qualify to draw on both programs. Many pilots especially junior ones should look into their potential benefits where they live and where they are based. SEA might also have a similar program.

Originally Posted by Gooner (Post 3101810)

CFO PJ seems to think that there is not much more cost savings to be had. Between the VEOP and any other potential furloughs we will have cut ~15%+ of our pilots. I think we have “shrank” to the point management feels comfortable with to be in place for a recovery. Could it change? Sure. Would CARES 2 change the conversation, absolutely.

If we furlough the full 2558 plus 2000ish VEOP we would be down 27% of our pilot group in 18 months. Cutting beyond that level means the company/industry/economy is all in jeopardy as that means almost zero recovery has happened in a span of 2 years. Look how quickly things changed May-July. When recovery begins it’ll be noticeable.

Right now the industry and the economy has paused in large part to corporate America throwing in the towel for 2020, they are assuming 2021 will be a recovery year. They have been afforded that opportunity by CARES 1 providing corporate well fare to wait and read the scene (ironically everyone like to bash the $600 a week for the reason recovery is slow).

My uninformed, view from the flight deck, opinion is that 2021 will limp in and start slow as the election and vaccine result starts to sink in. Spring will see the beginnings of corporate dealing happen. By the fall there will be opportunity every where for all industries for whoever survived this horrible year. Or we sink into a world wide depression and series of terrible wars that shape the rest of our millennial lives.

Originally Posted by RightSide (Post 3101856)

This is why I’m confused. Half say where you reside and the other where you are based. I’ll just email the company/union for clarification and report back.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3101847)

What many here can’t grasp is that management feels they are fighting for the survival of the business. It’s not a big plot to use a minor bump in the road to lower the ALV for a year.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3101847)

What many here can’t grasp is that management feels they are fighting for the survival of the business. It’s not a big plot to use a minor bump in the road to lower the ALV for a year.

Originally Posted by Gooner (Post 3102013)

Is that why our CFO hopes that we won’t need the loan on offer from CARES 1? Pretty sure the terms of that money are pretty friendly to someone in survival mode. Unless you read the part limiting executive pay, stock buy backs and air service requirements. So we are in survival mode enough to seek employee money, but not federal money that limits executive “choices.”