Originally Posted by Corndog

Man you guys are just too much.

Regardless of home or lumber Pricing or the perseverance of the American spirit, Delta is actually losing 3/4 of a billion dollars a month and doesn’t have flying for all of us.

If we furlough instead of temporarily cutting our ALV it will be our shame forever.

If you fly a greenslip while we have people on furlough you deserve what I hope you get.

Originally Posted by igotgummed

The problem is that it doesn’t create recall demand. The trip will go to a reroute or an IA. But go ahead......blame the union for what’s happening to you rather than the company. You’re falling for exactly what they want......breaking the Union.

Originally Posted by Corndog

I guess you “get” to live with yourself flying extra time while your brother on the street gets zero?!! Isn’t there The smallest part of you that would feel shame in gobbling up time that would help create recall demand?

Originally Posted by igotgummed

The problem is that it doesn’t create recall demand. The trip will go to a reroute or an IA.

Originally Posted by FangsF15

Had management decided to work with us, despite past mistrust, and allowed us to get to yes, I believe it could have happened. But, as so many others have articulated, negotiating a SIL deal only to back out for optics, immediately publishing the largest displacement bid ever including several 'opportunity' category closures, THEN agreeing to a VEOP, only to have an almost equally massive cleanup bid, while leaving reinstatements in the cold that would not have happened if it had been done in the proper order, and only after all that teasing publicly an 'unwinding' of it all (except 777/88) - all while leaving first 2558, then 1941 families in perhaps the most stressful time of their adult lives in an already stressful time.

Originally Posted by Gunfighter

We have yet to see a proposal that is in the middle of the last stated positions. The company asked for targeted ALV cuts by category to take from the WB fleets and reduce training churn. They never offered an across the board cut to ALV, so why are we acting like they did? Management takes 15% in the WB categories and still furloughs from the NB fleet. Done deal. DALPA said no, we won't budge an inch. We demand full pay til the last day.

Somewhere in the middle is a solution that makes sense. Lets hope we see some progress in the next week. An approach that includes an ALV cut across every category for xx months in exchange for no furloughs seems reasonable. This is a litmus test of the company sincerity to avoid pilot furloughs.

Another point of view is that this is a once in a generation opportunity for management to strike down any thought that a union was useful. No matter what DALPA offers, they WILL furlough to prove a point. Shoot one hostage and the rest magically fall in line. They are drawing this out as long and publicly as possible for maximum affect among the FAs, and other non-cons. We will be publicly punished for having a union and every employee at Delta will be witness to it. For an entire generation of employees, they will only have to reference the pilot furlough of 2020.

This week our management will reveal if this is about conditioning a generation of employees against unions or about keeping the Delta Family employed by exploring ALL voluntary measures. Place your bets...

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Covid is back out of control in Europe but the US appears to be doing much better. We will see what Labor Day brings next week. India is a mess. Africa for reasons no one understands is doing well. Asia is fine.

Originally Posted by Gunfighter

, which is a greater administrative burden and cost for the company.

GS simplifies and partially automates the trip coverage making it possible to cover hundreds of hours in open time in a matter of minutes. Covering that same open time with IA requires a long drawn out manual process. Doing it with reroutes is even more cumbersome because it involves breaking up trips. Add to that the administrative overhead of reviewing every disputed reroute and it gets painful. The company would have to hire and train more schedulers to cover it by IA. It may even require cancelling trips because they can't get it covered in time.

Ignoring the administrative burden, one could argue that IA is less expensive due to the fact it is flown by junior pilots at a lower hourly payrate.

(Not advocating against or for GS, just stating a fact.)

Originally Posted by igotgummed

The problem is that it doesn’t create recall demand. The trip will go to a reroute or an IA. But go ahead......blame the union for what’s happening to you rather than the company. You’re falling for exactly what they want......breaking the Union.