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11-10-2020, 10:53 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by OOfff
the important thing is that we need no evidence to support the conspiracy theory that it was withheld. Some just believe things without evidence and nothing will change their minds. Sad, really
11-10-2020, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
I think either way they would have announced it after the election. If their Goal was to influence the election and try to present the current administration as failing on the vaccine front, releasing the news after the election would have helped achieve this goal. If Biden won they got their desired result, if trump won it would not have mattered if they sat on that news for a couple weeks. All this assuming the information was purposely withheld
11-10-2020, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
Fair enough. I think that is a rather large assumption without any evidence and even if it was proven, it doesn't move the needle much for me. Pfizer behaves much like any large corporation: follow the money and you will usually find your explanation. But I see your point.
11-10-2020, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
My point was not whether or not they withheld their vaccine (like you, I’d need to see evidence) but that either way (assuming for a second that they did) that it would have been released after the election instead of them continuing to hold onto it like another poster said. I thought my last sentence would have clarified that, I guess not
11-10-2020, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
oh no, it was clear. I was just riffing on it because minds have already been made up
11-10-2020, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
I personally verified a dead person in Michigan got an absentee ballot. Anyone can verify on the Michigan state website. Where do you stand on the legitimacy of the American voting system?
11-10-2020, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
I personally verified a dead person in Michigan got an absentee ballot. Anyone can verify on the Michigan state website. Where do you stand on the legitimacy of the American voting system?
Our system, while not perfect (is there such a thing?) is easily one of the best in the world. Meanwhile, we have a sitting president who has been actively trying to undermine it for months (sans evidence) and now dangerously playing with our Republic. That isn't a partisan statement, it's legitimately concerning no matter who has the office.
11-10-2020, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Definitely needs reforming and brought into the 21st century (technology-wise and a strong look at getting rid of the electoral college), but let's be honest...dead people receiving ballots did NOT change the outcome of this election. Especially anymore than it changed the outcome of previous elections.
11-10-2020, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Definitely needs reforming and brought into the 21st century (technology-wise and a strong look at getting rid of the electoral college), but let's be honest...dead people receiving ballots did NOT change the outcome of this election. Especially anymore than it changed the outcome of previous elections.
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