Whistle blower Karlean Pettit
12-27-2020, 07:37 AM
#71
New Hire
Joined APC: Dec 2020
Posts: 5
Oh Dear Oh Dear
Abraham Lincoln - Quote - Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt
It would appear to be a sizable majority here who wish to prove the above quote true.
I would lay a sizable wager that the 'fools' on this thread have neither seen or read the documents in the case. It would appear you have the FAA head and management at Delta you deserve.
Any reasonably intelligent individual who has taken the time to read the judgement and supporting evidence could come to no other conclusion, like the judge, that Delta was caught out in an attempt to cover illegal actions by outright intimidation. Remind me again how many times Delta pilots forgot to set the flaps again...or 'forgot' to have both engines running before take off. Read the documents, you might even learn something (although unlikely).
Delta were unable to explain that they paid over $70,000 for Altman to perform the test, yet the Mayo centre, for the same text only charged $3,200. Delta was unable to explain why the difference. I suspect neither will any of you. Don't worry though chaps, you can read all the details in a couple of months, as will the public, in the second book in the series www.pullingwingsfrombutterflies.com. I am sure the media will find some of the comments here interesting, to say the least.
It would appear to be a sizable majority here who wish to prove the above quote true.
I would lay a sizable wager that the 'fools' on this thread have neither seen or read the documents in the case. It would appear you have the FAA head and management at Delta you deserve.
Any reasonably intelligent individual who has taken the time to read the judgement and supporting evidence could come to no other conclusion, like the judge, that Delta was caught out in an attempt to cover illegal actions by outright intimidation. Remind me again how many times Delta pilots forgot to set the flaps again...or 'forgot' to have both engines running before take off. Read the documents, you might even learn something (although unlikely).
Delta were unable to explain that they paid over $70,000 for Altman to perform the test, yet the Mayo centre, for the same text only charged $3,200. Delta was unable to explain why the difference. I suspect neither will any of you. Don't worry though chaps, you can read all the details in a couple of months, as will the public, in the second book in the series www.pullingwingsfrombutterflies.com. I am sure the media will find some of the comments here interesting, to say the least.
12-27-2020, 07:54 AM
#72
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,459
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The fact she wanted to use her credentials as a Delta pilot and branding in a money-making endeavor that disparaged the company is sufficient basis to determine that the plaintiff breached her duty of loyalty to the company. This duty arises out of the fact that our authority to operate the jet arises as an agent for the company. This is the very reason why the company does not want us out there making statements in uniform without their explicit approval.
Originally Posted by Youmightsaythat
Don't worry though chaps, you can read all the details in a couple of months, as will the public, in the second book in the series www.pullingwingsfrombutterflies.con. I am sure the media will find some of the comments here interesting, to say the least.
12-27-2020, 08:01 AM
#73
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,110
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Every certificate holder has a process, negotiated and approved, which should be followed to ensure the quality of the result. Duty periods, commuting to work, all have tertiary effects. There is an internal process to follow. Sometimes the answer is "thank you for bringing your concerns, but the answer is no." Not every individual is entitled to force their will on 85,000 other employees or over 100,000 pilots in the United States. We also can't flood the CEO's inbox with demands for Christmas parties and bar tabs.
What every individual pilot may do, and should do, is stop the operation when they are unfit. We have accepted processes for stopping the operation when fatigue adds risk. It can be reasonably supposed that a mother of three young children, getting a doctorate while helping a spouse has stresses and demands on them that are unimaginable to the young, single person.
The fact she wanted to use her credentials as a Delta pilot and branding in a money-making endeavor that disparaged the company is sufficient basis to determine that the plaintiff breached her duty of loyalty to the company. This duty arises out of the fact that our authority to operate the jet arises as an agent for the company. This is the very reason why the company does not want us out there making statements in uniform without their explicit approval.
That is the role I understand we fill as professional pilots. If I am mistaken I'd like to hear from some of the attorneys who work among our ranks.
What every individual pilot may do, and should do, is stop the operation when they are unfit. We have accepted processes for stopping the operation when fatigue adds risk. It can be reasonably supposed that a mother of three young children, getting a doctorate while helping a spouse has stresses and demands on them that are unimaginable to the young, single person.
The fact she wanted to use her credentials as a Delta pilot and branding in a money-making endeavor that disparaged the company is sufficient basis to determine that the plaintiff breached her duty of loyalty to the company. This duty arises out of the fact that our authority to operate the jet arises as an agent for the company. This is the very reason why the company does not want us out there making statements in uniform without their explicit approval.
That is the role I understand we fill as professional pilots. If I am mistaken I'd like to hear from some of the attorneys who work among our ranks.
I agree with this 100%. I finally finished reading the entire report. The fact that is overlooked by almost everyone is the numerous, multiple issues that she had before she ever presented her report. To be honest, the things she did were not THAT bad, ie being in uniform for book signings, social media issues, emailing the CEO directly, etc. The issue is that all of those things combined with other things like sim ride issues, line check issues, etc are SO OUT OF THE NORM FOR THE AVERAGE LINE PILOT that management had a right to wonder, "is she actually nuts"?
JG even setup a forum for her to present her report! They gave her a platform. The biggest mistake was sending Ms. Nabors to interview her, taking that meeting as the basis of the Section 15, and not just telling her to file ASAPs.
KP should have been writing FCRs and ASAPs non stop from her NRT layovers, not crusading based on the fact that she has a PHD and a blog following. She is not entitled to change anything, but she is obviously allowed to slow, or stop the operation and even present her findings to management. It's all the other ridiculous stuff she did leading up to that made management question her mental capacity. I questioned it while I read it!
She was told over and over by ALPA what would happen if she continued acting erratically and they were proven correct. This career is valuable. The fact that she didn't understand this makes me question her decision making at the very least.
The irony is that she requested that every pilot see the report. Having seen it and knowing she won, it showed me more than anything, that she brought it all on herself with her behavior, NOT her safety report. Yes, she won her case bc of the things she brought up were "protected" but anyone that can read between the lines will see this all stemmed from her behavior and NOT a safety report. Semantics won her the case, her behavior though brought it all on.
If I told my spouse that I was going to crusade against my airline after I'd already had them repeatedly been "counciled" by them for other misconduct issues, and after my union told me it could hurt me, my wife would say I'm nuts for jeopardizing my career. It's not like she uncovered some grandiose safety conspiracy. She didn't like our SMS program which was already FAA approved, she didn't like the way some DH's were carried out and the way some greenslips were issued(so ironic that her claims included back pay for unflown greenslips - which she was discovered to have basically never done many if at all in her entire 40 year flying career that only has 6500 hours of total flying time.)
My wife would have told me to ST*U and do my job and nothing else.
We have all filled out ASAPs, FCR's, called fatigue, grounded airplanes here and haven't been questioned when following protocols. JG gave out his personal number in indoc with the instruction to call him when felt pushed and he'd have your back.
This wasn't about a safety report, it was about behavior. It upsets me as a line pilot because it makes our airline look ridiculous and it makes us look like we were trying to bury some safety report which is so untrue. This could massively change consumer behavior all because of her grand desire to constantly seek approval from others from her blog readers, to her chief pilots, to her book readers, to the CEO!
-A line guy with zero skin in this case.
12-27-2020, 08:03 AM
#74
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 11,990
Originally Posted by Youmightsaythat
you can read all the details in a couple of months, as will the public, in the second book in the series www.pullingwingsfrombutterflies.com. I am sure the media will find some of the comments here interesting, to say the least.
Nobody wants to read your stupid book and the mods need to boot you from the forum. If you want to advertise - BUY IT you cheapskyte.
Will not wager with you, because you will not pay. You have already established your credentials as a freeloader and drama gueen. Bugger off you impotent tosser.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 12-27-2020 at 08:14 AM.
12-27-2020, 08:08 AM
#75
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,110
Originally Posted by Youmightsaythat
Abraham Lincoln - Quote - Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt
It would appear to be a sizable majority here who wish to prove the above quote true.
I would lay a sizable wager that the 'fools' on this thread have neither seen or read the documents in the case. It would appear you have the FAA head and management at Delta you deserve.
Any reasonably intelligent individual who has taken the time to read the judgement and supporting evidence could come to no other conclusion, like the judge, that Delta was caught out in an attempt to cover illegal actions by outright intimidation. Remind me again how many times Delta pilots forgot to set the flaps again...or 'forgot' to have both engines running before take off. Read the documents, you might even learn something (although unlikely).
Delta were unable to explain that they paid over $70,000 for Altman to perform the test, yet the Mayo centre, for the same text only charged $3,200. Delta was unable to explain why the difference. I suspect neither will any of you. Don't worry though chaps, you can read all the details in a couple of months, as will the public, in the second book in the series www.pullingwingsfrombutterflies.com. I am sure the media will find some of the comments here interesting, to say the least.
It would appear to be a sizable majority here who wish to prove the above quote true.
I would lay a sizable wager that the 'fools' on this thread have neither seen or read the documents in the case. It would appear you have the FAA head and management at Delta you deserve.
Any reasonably intelligent individual who has taken the time to read the judgement and supporting evidence could come to no other conclusion, like the judge, that Delta was caught out in an attempt to cover illegal actions by outright intimidation. Remind me again how many times Delta pilots forgot to set the flaps again...or 'forgot' to have both engines running before take off. Read the documents, you might even learn something (although unlikely).
Delta were unable to explain that they paid over $70,000 for Altman to perform the test, yet the Mayo centre, for the same text only charged $3,200. Delta was unable to explain why the difference. I suspect neither will any of you. Don't worry though chaps, you can read all the details in a couple of months, as will the public, in the second book in the series www.pullingwingsfrombutterflies.com. I am sure the media will find some of the comments here interesting, to say the least.
Honest question....did you ever at any point in your career have any "run-in", discipline, or any other interaction with a chief pilot, line check airmen, etc where you felt you needed to defend yourself, or were you simply a line pilot that did his job and went home?
My guess is not the second one. In my career those that are the most aggrieved usually have way more to the story ala Mrs. Petitt. I find it hard to believe that calling out fatigued one time resulted in your termination.
12-27-2020, 08:12 AM
#76
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 11,990
Originally Posted by marcal
I find it hard to believe that calling out fatigued one time resulted in your termination.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 12-27-2020 at 08:27 AM.
12-27-2020, 08:54 AM
#77
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2020
Posts: 459
Originally Posted by Gspeed
https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/st...827921928?s=20
”The deepest irony of this whole “I’m a Republican so I only respect doctors who are medical doctors,” thing is that 300,000 Americans are dead because Republicans didn’t respect medical doctors.”
”The deepest irony of this whole “I’m a Republican so I only respect doctors who are medical doctors,” thing is that 300,000 Americans are dead because Republicans didn’t respect medical doctors.”
So using your own “logic” every suicide in the world as of 2020 is due to medical doctors persuading politicians to order complete shut downs of countries with no regard of the repercussions???
You’re either a fool, or hack. It’s always easier to fool someone then convince them they’ve been fooled. So I’ll conclude you’re a fool.
12-27-2020, 09:10 AM
#78
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,293
Originally Posted by Gunfighter
Does anyone else find it ironic that someone is trying to sell their books in a thread about a pilot who was called on the carpet for selling her books?
12-27-2020, 09:36 AM
#79
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Joined APC: Dec 2020
Posts: 5
Originally Posted by marcal
Butterfly,
Honest question....did you ever at any point in your career have any "run-in", discipline, or any other interaction with a chief pilot, line check airmen, etc where you felt you needed to defend yourself, or were you simply a line pilot that did his job and went home?
My guess is not the second one. In my career those that are the most aggrieved usually have way more to the story ala Mrs. Petitt. I find it hard to believe that calling out fatigued one time resulted in your termination.
Honest question....did you ever at any point in your career have any "run-in", discipline, or any other interaction with a chief pilot, line check airmen, etc where you felt you needed to defend yourself, or were you simply a line pilot that did his job and went home?
My guess is not the second one. In my career those that are the most aggrieved usually have way more to the story ala Mrs. Petitt. I find it hard to believe that calling out fatigued one time resulted in your termination.
Seriously buy or if you hard up borrow the book. Who knows, if might open your eyes, alternativly just hang out taking cheap shots. My preference is for you to continue the cheap shots, it makes it so much easier to expose exactly what goes on in the industry and the mentality behind it.
12-27-2020, 09:48 AM
#80
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Widget Jet
Posts: 765
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Every certificate holder has a process, negotiated and approved, which should be followed to ensure the quality of the result. Duty periods, commuting to work, all have tertiary effects. There is an internal process to follow. Sometimes the answer is "thank you for bringing your concerns, but the answer is no." Not every individual is entitled to force their will on 85,000 other employees or over 100,000 pilots in the United States. We also can't flood the CEO's inbox with demands for Christmas parties and bar tabs.
What every individual pilot may do, and should do, is stop the operation when they are unfit. We have accepted processes for stopping the operation when fatigue adds risk. It can be reasonably supposed that a mother of three young children, getting a doctorate while helping a spouse has stresses and demands on them that are unimaginable to the young, single person.
The fact she wanted to use her credentials as a Delta pilot and branding in a money-making endeavor that disparaged the company is sufficient basis to determine that the plaintiff breached her duty of loyalty to the company. This duty arises out of the fact that our authority to operate the jet arises as an agent for the company. This is the very reason why the company does not want us out there making statements in uniform without their explicit approval.
That is the role I understand we fill as professional pilots. If I am mistaken I'd like to hear from some of the attorneys who work among our ranks.
What every individual pilot may do, and should do, is stop the operation when they are unfit. We have accepted processes for stopping the operation when fatigue adds risk. It can be reasonably supposed that a mother of three young children, getting a doctorate while helping a spouse has stresses and demands on them that are unimaginable to the young, single person.
The fact she wanted to use her credentials as a Delta pilot and branding in a money-making endeavor that disparaged the company is sufficient basis to determine that the plaintiff breached her duty of loyalty to the company. This duty arises out of the fact that our authority to operate the jet arises as an agent for the company. This is the very reason why the company does not want us out there making statements in uniform without their explicit approval.
That is the role I understand we fill as professional pilots. If I am mistaken I'd like to hear from some of the attorneys who work among our ranks.
I’d say you frackin nailed it. Wish more of you would realize that as well.
