Ghost of SILs past?
12-26-2020, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
I think they made a strategic decision to squeeze the operation and don't really care about the cancellations, because at the end of the day most people got where they needed to go maybe just a few hours late and Delta still got their money. It's not like these are business travelers who paid top dollar and are expecting to be on time to their meetings.
It's probably cheaper to cancel than to carry an extra 1000 pilots just for Thanksgiving and Christmas when they are expecting the rest of winter to be extra slow. But yes, SILs would definitely be more advantageous than blanket UNAs.
It's probably cheaper to cancel than to carry an extra 1000 pilots just for Thanksgiving and Christmas when they are expecting the rest of winter to be extra slow. But yes, SILs would definitely be more advantageous than blanket UNAs.
Edit: I’m sure the pilot on their 9th GS is happy.
12-26-2020, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish
And after the MOAD, there are those, like me, who couldn’t be bothered to work any extra. Call me when I get pre-covid pay rate back, until then I have better ways to spend my time.
12-26-2020, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
I think they made a strategic decision to squeeze the operation and don't really care about the cancellations, because at the end of the day most people got where they needed to go maybe just a few hours late and Delta still got their money. It's not like these are business travelers who paid top dollar and are expecting to be on time to their meetings.
It's probably cheaper to cancel than to carry an extra 1000 pilots just for Thanksgiving and Christmas when they are expecting the rest of winter to be extra slow. But yes, SILs would definitely be more advantageous than blanket UNAs.
It's probably cheaper to cancel than to carry an extra 1000 pilots just for Thanksgiving and Christmas when they are expecting the rest of winter to be extra slow. But yes, SILs would definitely be more advantageous than blanket UNAs.
12-26-2020, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
Have you checked some of the ticket prices lately? People are paying top dollar in some markets, some of the highest prices I have seen. If they made a strategic decision to flush away their reliability rating I hope they didn’t flush the business premium with the reliability rating. People are fickle.
12-26-2020, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
To what can we attribute our current operational woes? Generic issues like weather and varying demand don't really cut it since AAL and UAL do not appear to be similarly affected. IMHO SILs could be much more effectively used than the very static and non variable UNA concept. SILs seem to be much more dynamic and almost infinitely variable in that they can be adjusted on a monthly basis at a minimum. I would argue that SILs could have easily been crafted to dial down to allow weekly or bi-weekly variability.
What makes this even worse is that for years we were pretty much running the top airline operationally - now we are basically bringing up the rear. I guess we did have more folks take the early retirement but I am not really sure that is what is causing our issues. Does this all go back to the big displacement bid prior to early outs combined with intransigence on SILs?
Thought from any Line dogs?
Scoop
What makes this even worse is that for years we were pretty much running the top airline operationally - now we are basically bringing up the rear. I guess we did have more folks take the early retirement but I am not really sure that is what is causing our issues. Does this all go back to the big displacement bid prior to early outs combined with intransigence on SILs?
Thought from any Line dogs?
Scoop
12-26-2020, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish
And after the MOAD, there are those, like me, who couldn’t be bothered to work any extra. Call me when I get pre-covid pay rate back, until then I have better ways to spend my time.
Denny
12-26-2020, 06:02 PM
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Through the various AEs, I have been awarded UNA, A320, and now A220. I never actually converted to UNA until December. I haven't flown since March and lost currency in July. Meanwhile, I have actually made more money than normal thanks to the increase in reserve guarantee for my fleet (7ER) to reach the correct ALV.
Delta's old and inefficient AE process and training schedules are to blame. Staffing for COVID requires flexibility and that is something Delta can't do when it takes 12 months to execute a large bid. By the time Crew Resources generates a bid, it is already out of date. As a result, I was allowed to lose currency when my fleet eventually issued green slips, I was then assigned an aircraft and wasted some scheduler's time as they tried to find a training slot for me. By the time they did that, the amount they planned on furloughing was reduced so I was awarded a new airplane (probably the one I should have been assigned in the May AE).
Management decided it was more important to prevent the FAs from forming a union. As a result, they never honestly worked with ALPA to get an accurate staffing level.
Delta's old and inefficient AE process and training schedules are to blame. Staffing for COVID requires flexibility and that is something Delta can't do when it takes 12 months to execute a large bid. By the time Crew Resources generates a bid, it is already out of date. As a result, I was allowed to lose currency when my fleet eventually issued green slips, I was then assigned an aircraft and wasted some scheduler's time as they tried to find a training slot for me. By the time they did that, the amount they planned on furloughing was reduced so I was awarded a new airplane (probably the one I should have been assigned in the May AE).
Management decided it was more important to prevent the FAs from forming a union. As a result, they never honestly worked with ALPA to get an accurate staffing level.
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