Prepare Yourselves... 2021 AEs
10-03-2021, 05:26 AM
#3511
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
What you omit is a little over a year ago they posted the largest widebody bid in the history of the airline. They followed that up with another massive widebody bid last April. Probably the second largest in the history of the airline. Now they post what certainly is the largest narrow body 210 day bid ever posted and include block hour projections showing the need for another LARGE widebody bid soon and it’s all doom and gloom! What is really strange is they stated repeatedly this would be a narrow body only bid and that the widebody pipeline is full. What were people expecting?
C'mon Man (in my best Biden) nobody is talking "doom and gloom." I said it would good for the Pilot group overall but everything is relative.
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10-03-2021, 05:55 AM
#3512
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
I think there will be lots of NB B who sit this one out and wait for the upcoming WB B. That will drive the NB A more junior. I don't see many WB B taking the leap to NB A, so the results of this bid will be lots of junior NB B who upgrade.
10-03-2021, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
I mostlydisagree with this. I think you are spot on if talking about NB B with good BES seniority going to NB A. But...if you are talking about poor seniority NB B...why not make the jump to NB A get paid 100k more a year . You had poor QOL before and you will have poor QOL as an A....so go for the money....do your seat lock ....then go to WB B. One overlooked pro of this "bid up" strategy is LTD....if something dire happens and you lose your medical....much better do do it at a much higher pay rate. You are literally paying yourself for a better LTD policy....banking ALOT more money in the interim....all while having shiznit for QOL.....which you would have had anyway. JMHO. I foresee some really junior NBA's...2 year on property would not surprise me.
I think if the Q1 22 bid has as much movement is as rumored it would be possible then.
10-03-2021, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
2 years on property is 700 or less from the bottom. I don’t think it goes that low on this bid. I’d love to be wrong
10-03-2021, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Yea...you are prolly right....I was using numbers from UAL...who started hiring after the Covid hiatus quicker than we did....guys on property 2.5 years were getting 73 A bids on their big bid a coupla months ago. They will be checked out prior to 3 years on property.(again, that was United)
yeah I thought I saw UA has hired something like 900 pilots post Covid, where we are around 200. Hoping we actually start hiring in the 150-200/month range like flt ops were saying they would.
10-03-2021, 08:04 AM
#3516
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
I mostlydisagree with this. I think you are spot on if talking about NB B with good BES seniority going to NB A. But...if you are talking about poor seniority NB B...why not make the jump to NB A get paid 100k more a year . You had poor QOL before and you will have poor QOL as an A....so go for the money....do your seat lock ....then go to WB B. One overlooked pro of this "bid up" strategy is LTD....if something dire happens and you lose your medical....much better do do it at a much higher pay rate. You are literally paying yourself for a better LTD policy....banking ALOT more money in the interim....all while having shiznit for QOL.....which you would have had anyway. JMHO. I foresee some really junior NBA's...2 year on property would not surprise me.
10-03-2021, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
One overlooked pro of this "bid up" strategy is LTD....if something dire happens and you lose your medical....much better do do it at a much higher pay rate.
NB-B or WB-B who knows how to work the system and is in an understaffed category could be just about where NB-A is as far as this calculation goes.
10-03-2021, 08:37 AM
#3519
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
I mostlydisagree with this. I think you are spot on if talking about NB B with good BES seniority going to NB A. But...if you are talking about poor seniority NB B...why not make the jump to NB A get paid 100k more a year . You had poor QOL before and you will have poor QOL as an A....so go for the money....do your seat lock ....then go to WB B. One overlooked pro of this "bid up" strategy is LTD....if something dire happens and you lose your medical....much better do do it at a much higher pay rate. You are literally paying yourself for a better LTD policy....banking ALOT more money in the interim....all while having shiznit for QOL.....which you would have had anyway. JMHO. I foresee some really junior NBA's...2 year on property would not surprise me.
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