Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 3192026)
Maybe we should start all new Pilots at the bottom of the seniority list and work their way up. :D You are making it seem like the current senior Pilots were hired into senior positions and never put their time in being junior.
Scoop I was just replying to a post on how to spread out the flying, that's it. |
Originally Posted by The Rover
(Post 3192025)
It depends.
Pre C19, international categories had 6 day trips. One could fly a 6 day, sit a couple of short calls and still be in bucket 1. If you're junior, avoiding reserve day groupings of 5 days or less isn't always a given. |
Originally Posted by Rooster435
(Post 3192032)
I guess it’s possible with certain ALVs but a 6 day trip and 2 short calls will typically get you a raw score in the high 80s (if the trip is at min guarantee) which is almost always group 2. Lately I’m almost always in group 2 by the end of the month and I haven’t flown more than 4 days in a month since last Apr.
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
(Post 3192012)
Been junior most of my career and I'm good with the current system. It sucked seeing the same 10 guys get most of the GS's while hardly ever flying a reserve trip, but that's the game and I knew it when I bid up to a position in which I'd be junior. Thanks to the big displacement, I'm going to try out being senior in category for a bit. Haven't even trained on the new aircraft yet and I'm already digging it. Had an old Captain tell me to get in the top page or two of the wide report and don't move up until you can hold the same in the next category. I'm starting to see the wisdom in his words.
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Originally Posted by The Rover
(Post 3192039)
I could be wrong. Pretty sure each day of flying is 11 points and short call is 5 each.
No, there is a complicated formula in the PWA. Combination of credit (includes, Flying credit, sick, vacation and the short call 1 hr credit), number of days worked, and number of short calls. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Why even bring up tampering with the seniority system? It seems pretty short sited for anyone.
I had a short layover and shared the hotel mini bus with a couple other crews from various airlines. I listened to a Capt explain that PBS was crap because bidding a pre built line had vacation touching (excellent point) and a mixture of good and bad trips on each line to help even out the pain. That’s where he lost me. The number one guy on the 717 ATL could bid only Scranton layovers leaving on Tuesdays and get it. I don’t know why anyone would, but you can be specific with seniority here. Get senior and let your freak flag fly. I don’t know about yours, but my seniority gets better every day. Life is about choices. Seniority gives you better ones. I wish we would go the other way and make it more seniority based for reserves. Get rid of buckets or raw scores. Junior folks take what’s in open time until they max out and then onto the next most junior available. |
Originally Posted by Rooster435
(Post 3192050)
No, there is a complicated formula in the PWA. Combination of credit (includes, Flying credit, sick, vacation and the short call 1 hr credit), number of days worked, and number of short calls.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk If I'm wrong, please show the math. |
Originally Posted by 180ToAJ
(Post 3192137)
Why even bring up tampering with the seniority system? It seems pretty short sited for anyone.
I had a short layover and shared the hotel mini bus with a couple other crews from various airlines. I listened to a Capt explain that PBS was crap because bidding a pre built line had vacation touching (excellent point) and a mixture of good and bad trips on each line to help even out the pain. That’s where he lost me. The number one guy on the 717 ATL could bid only Scranton layovers leaving on Tuesdays and get it. I don’t know why anyone would, but you can be specific with seniority here. Get senior and let your freak flag fly. I don’t know about yours, but my seniority gets better every day. Life is about choices. Seniority gives you better ones. I wish we would go the other way and make it more seniority based for reserves. Get rid of buckets or raw scores. Junior folks take what’s in open time until they max out and then onto the next most junior available. You guys make chit chat look like a friendly place. |
Originally Posted by The Rover
(Post 3192142)
Not sure how things work in your world mr. rooster. In mine, when I fly it adds 11 points to my RAW score for each day I fly.
If I'm wrong, please show the math. As an example, this month I’ve flown a 1 day and done 3 short calls and my current score is 47. |
Originally Posted by GeneralLee
(Post 3192046)
What category are you leaving/headed to?
Originally Posted by 180ToAJ
(Post 3192137)
I listened to a Capt explain that PBS was crap because bidding a pre built line had vacation touching (excellent point) and a mixture of good and bad trips on each line to help even out the pain.
Originally Posted by The Rover
(Post 3192142)
Not sure how things work in your world mr. rooster. In mine, when I fly it adds 11 points to my RAW score for each day I fly.
If I'm wrong, please show the math.
Originally Posted by The Rover
(Post 3192146)
You guys make chit chat look like a friendly place.
You didn't say change seniority, but your stated change would fundamentally shift how seniority impacts reserve. If it were to happen, bidding habits would change and everyone would figure out their new schtick. Personally, I believe such a change would cause a decent decrease QOL of those at the top, while only marginally increasing the QOL of the rest of the list. |
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