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The Rover 02-07-2021 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 3192026)
Maybe we should start all new Pilots at the bottom of the seniority list and work their way up. :D You are making it seem like the current senior Pilots were hired into senior positions and never put their time in being junior.
Scoop

Really? I never implied that, although you just did.

I was just replying to a post on how to spread out the flying, that's it.

Rooster435 02-07-2021 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by The Rover (Post 3192025)
It depends.

Pre C19, international categories had 6 day trips. One could fly a 6 day, sit a couple of short calls and still be in bucket 1.

If you're junior, avoiding reserve day groupings of 5 days or less isn't always a given.

I guess it’s possible with certain ALVs but a 6 day trip and 2 short calls will typically get you a raw score in the high 80s (if the trip is at min guarantee) which is almost always group 2. Lately I’m almost always in group 2 by the end of the month and I haven’t flown more than 4 days in a month since last Apr.

The Rover 02-07-2021 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3192032)
I guess it’s possible with certain ALVs but a 6 day trip and 2 short calls will typically get you a raw score in the high 80s (if the trip is at min guarantee) which is almost always group 2. Lately I’m almost always in group 2 by the end of the month and I haven’t flown more than 4 days in a month since last Apr.

I could be wrong. Pretty sure each day of flying is 11 points and short call is 5 each.

GeneralLee 02-07-2021 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3192012)
Been junior most of my career and I'm good with the current system. It sucked seeing the same 10 guys get most of the GS's while hardly ever flying a reserve trip, but that's the game and I knew it when I bid up to a position in which I'd be junior. Thanks to the big displacement, I'm going to try out being senior in category for a bit. Haven't even trained on the new aircraft yet and I'm already digging it. Had an old Captain tell me to get in the top page or two of the wide report and don't move up until you can hold the same in the next category. I'm starting to see the wisdom in his words.

What category are you leaving/headed to?

Rooster435 02-07-2021 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by The Rover (Post 3192039)
I could be wrong. Pretty sure each day of flying is 11 points and short call is 5 each.


No, there is a complicated formula in the PWA. Combination of credit (includes, Flying credit, sick, vacation and the short call 1 hr credit), number of days worked, and number of short calls.


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180ToAJ 02-07-2021 08:23 PM

Why even bring up tampering with the seniority system? It seems pretty short sited for anyone.

I had a short layover and shared the hotel mini bus with a couple other crews from various airlines. I listened to a Capt explain that PBS was crap because bidding a pre built line had vacation touching (excellent point) and a mixture of good and bad trips on each line to help even out the pain. That’s where he lost me.
The number one guy on the 717 ATL could bid only Scranton layovers leaving on Tuesdays and get it. I don’t know why anyone would, but you can be specific with seniority here. Get senior and let your freak flag fly.
I don’t know about yours, but my seniority gets better every day. Life is about choices. Seniority gives you better ones.
I wish we would go the other way and make it more seniority based for reserves. Get rid of buckets or raw scores. Junior folks take what’s in open time until they max out and then onto the next most junior available.

The Rover 02-07-2021 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3192050)
No, there is a complicated formula in the PWA. Combination of credit (includes, Flying credit, sick, vacation and the short call 1 hr credit), number of days worked, and number of short calls.


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Not sure how things work in your world mr. rooster. In mine, when I fly it adds 11 points to my RAW score for each day I fly.

If I'm wrong, please show the math.

The Rover 02-07-2021 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by 180ToAJ (Post 3192137)
Why even bring up tampering with the seniority system? It seems pretty short sited for anyone.

I had a short layover and shared the hotel mini bus with a couple other crews from various airlines. I listened to a Capt explain that PBS was crap because bidding a pre built line had vacation touching (excellent point) and a mixture of good and bad trips on each line to help even out the pain. That’s where he lost me.
The number one guy on the 717 ATL could bid only Scranton layovers leaving on Tuesdays and get it. I don’t know why anyone would, but you can be specific with seniority here. Get senior and let your freak flag fly.
I don’t know about yours, but my seniority gets better every day. Life is about choices. Seniority gives you better ones.
I wish we would go the other way and make it more seniority based for reserves. Get rid of buckets or raw scores. Junior folks take what’s in open time until they max out and then onto the next most junior available.

I simply responded to post 479 (TED), which asked the question of how to spread out the flying during unprecedented times. I responded, change the RAW score system as an answer to the question. I never mentioned a change to seniority, I suggested a different system, one where after a reserve flies, they go to the bottom of the availability list. Again, a suggestion to a posted question. A number of you proceeded to imply things I never said, including a moderator (scoop).

You guys make chit chat look like a friendly place.

Rooster435 02-08-2021 03:35 AM


Originally Posted by The Rover (Post 3192142)
Not sure how things work in your world mr. rooster. In mine, when I fly it adds 11 points to my RAW score for each day I fly.

If I'm wrong, please show the math.

Read the PWA under definitions “Reserve Assignment Weighting”. The formula is in there and there are lots of different variables.

As an example, this month I’ve flown a 1 day and done 3 short calls and my current score is 47.

crewdawg 02-08-2021 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by GeneralLee (Post 3192046)
What category are you leaving/headed to?

WB to 717


Originally Posted by 180ToAJ (Post 3192137)
I listened to a Capt explain that PBS was crap because bidding a pre built line had vacation touching (excellent point) and a mixture of good and bad trips on each line to help even out the pain.

Next time just tell him that PBS is not the reason he doesn't have trips touching, it's his crappy contract language. You can have trips touching with PBS, if you can negotiate it...


Originally Posted by The Rover (Post 3192142)
Not sure how things work in your world mr. rooster. In mine, when I fly it adds 11 points to my RAW score for each day I fly.

If I'm wrong, please show the math.

Close enough for rough math if you're starting out the month with no leaves or SC's credited. Otherwise, it's all over the board.


Originally Posted by The Rover (Post 3192146)
You guys make chit chat look like a friendly place.

LOL, not even close. CC is friendly...as long as you agree with their very narrow views on everything. If you disagree with anything, you'll be called a company shill or are just a young guy who was born with a silver spoon and just wants it that much better (at their expense). Then you'd get challenged to a lifting competition by a guy who loves to remind everyone how he has a crappy truck/house. Then a few would pile on about selling scope (for pay rates) to spite the "young guys," who don't necessarily agree that we need to go back to a pension.

You didn't say change seniority, but your stated change would fundamentally shift how seniority impacts reserve. If it were to happen, bidding habits would change and everyone would figure out their new schtick. Personally, I believe such a change would cause a decent decrease QOL of those at the top, while only marginally increasing the QOL of the rest of the list.


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