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Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3185239)

I can't believe you guys have spent 12 pages arguing about "dwell time" and the best time to set the flaps for takeoff. It must really be something to work at your Air Line with all of these First World Problems you have over there. :D

Hey it's better than 60 pages of LGBTQ bashing. I'd say we're making progress :p

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Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 3185274)

Hey it's better than 60 pages of LGBTQ bashing. I'd say we're making progress :p

I missed that one. I admit I rarely wade into the Delta Air Lines forum. Are you guys tearing apart marginalized people AGAIN?

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Originally Posted by Bert Sampson (Post 3185213)

How far off property?

California, Shefffield School of Cool Aeronautics.

accept the load... flaps 1... sit 'em down... Checklists are for the weak.

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Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 3185271)

Your method of reviewing the WDR after the salute.

Again, not sure where I ever said that was my method? If we have time at the gate review it there, if not, do it after the flaps are set.

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Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3185248)

OK. Just don't land on Mike.

Who’s Mike? Is he the guy that publishes airspace closure NOTAMs for Blue Angels practices?

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Originally Posted by tunes (Post 3185300)

Again, not sure where I ever said that was my method? If we have time at the gate review it there, if not, do it after the flaps are set.

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Sorry I misunderstood your reply to Trip7. You seem to think taxiing after the salute and doing the WDR somewhere else is rushing.

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Originally Posted by tunes (Post 3185230)

I’m honestly quite baffled how your mentality made it to standards. It’s common practice on my fleet to do the control check on the ramp right as taxi begins. You know what’s a bigger reason of TOFU events? Rushing period. You seem to think that latency is more important than safety. If you ever debriefed me on latency on a line check I’d tell you exactly where you can stick it.

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Trip7 never implied latency is more important than safety. The location of WDR review doesn't change whether a crew is rushing or not. You can have good latency without rushing, that's the whole point.

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Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 3185258)

That's a good question, especially because a takeoff config would catch the flaps and not the engine. My guess is they wanted to fix flap problems, so they moved the standard earlier in the flight. We'd have the same procedure for engines if they didn't cost money to run or take time to start.

Just like blocking seats to nonrevs for FA "safety", when they're out of their JS. But if a passenger wants to buy that seat, the FA is safe enough without it..... All about the Benjamins

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDog (Post 3185254)

But can someone please explain the hardover on Tofu?

THIS^ When I first got to Delta, I was surprised about how many takeoff configuration errors they had. Then I found out that Delta treats taxiing with the flaps up the same as trying to take the runway with the flaps up. At a previous airline, we only counted the event if the crew was on the runway with the flaps up. Delta moved the goalposts closer... that's fine, but they also need to realize that a crew who taxis with the flaps up won't necessarily takeoff that way. There are plenty of places the flaps will be trapped before they ever get near the runway... like the Taxi checklist.

Most of the TOFU incidents that get published involve a distraction after pushback that causes a delay. The crew rushes to clear the ramp and forgets to call for the flaps. To me, that comes across as a crew that just wants to get out of the way for Trip7 so he can get to the gate and wait for the jetbridge driver sooner. The crew wasn't thinking, "Let's taxi to the runway" just "Let's just move the plane out of everyone's way before we start preparing for takeoff"

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 3185233)

If I ever saw another LCP debriefing someone on latency, we’d be having a serious talk on things afterward. I cannot believe what I’ve just read.

Gate latency is not a graded item but along with anything that is best practice, it can be subject to a debrief. Recent Line Check Blitz we were supposed to debrief pilots on including Company COVID enhanced cleaning in their PAs.

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