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Old 01-29-2021, 02:18 PM
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The perception of flying and travel being safe will return the long time business and casual traveler who wants to visit friends and family. That perception only happens when immunity is known. Mask and vaccines slow the spread but masks are a visual signal there is still real risk.

As a former military guy, trust me, I've had a Smörgåsbord of needles for vaccines shoved into my arm. So I'm not a crazy anti-vax guy. I'm just trying to follow the logic that if the vaccine is widely available, where is the worry, and why mandate it?
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Old 01-29-2021, 03:13 PM
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Interstate commerce is the purview of the federal government. Requiring a mask is good, requiring vaccination would be better.
The Constitution doesn't give the federal government to mandate a vaccine.
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The peeps that don’t vaccinate and get the virus...symptoms or not...help the virus mutate. Preventing it from mutating to something we can not control should be our top priority.
Actually the vaccine will more likely produce more mutations. Typically the natural mutations in nature become less severe over time and if it was lab created those human manipulations over time die off if you will. There are a lot of unknowns with the “vaccine” as it relates to virus impact some of which are high risk. No one should be forced to have something injected into their body. The government does not have that authority.
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The Constitution doesn't give the federal government to mandate a vaccine.
I'm not arguing either side of the issue at hand but just want to say that the Constitution doesn't give the President the power to go to war but here we are today essentially fighting wars in 7 different countries without Congressional approval. The current president is breaking records with executive orders some of which are very likely unconstitutional. I don't think anything is going to stop this administration from doing whatever it wants.
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Old 01-29-2021, 04:00 PM
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The Constitution doesn't give the federal government to mandate a vaccine.
What does the constitution give the government the authority to do? There is a textualist interpretation among several others, one of those being a pragmatist. How would you interpret Article 1, Section 9?
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What does the constitution give the government the authority to do? There is a textualist interpretation among several others, one of those being a pragmatist. How would you interpret Article 1, Section 9?
He’ll be back after he scours Parler, OANN and Newsmax for the answer.
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Old 01-29-2021, 04:48 PM
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He’ll be back after he scours Parler, OANN and Newsmax for the answer.
‘Did you learn that response from New York Times, Washington Post, CNN or MSNBC. See all of today’s media has a slanted biased with an agenda. Please let me know what unbiased center of the road media you use cause I would love to know of one.
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‘Did you learn that response from New York Times, Washington Post, CNN or MSNBC. See all of today’s media has a slanted biased with an agenda. Please let me know what unbiased center of the road media you use cause I would love to know of one.
Reuters, PBS News Hour and BBC News.

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Originally Posted by notEnuf View Post
What does the constitution give the government the authority to do? ... How would you interpret Article 1, Section 9?
It's pretty self explanatory. No "interpretation" needed
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I'm not arguing either side of the issue at hand but just want to say that the Constitution doesn't give the President the power to go to war but here we are today essentially fighting wars in 7 different countries without Congressional approval. The current president is breaking records with executive orders some of which are very likely unconstitutional. I don't think anything is going to stop this administration from doing whatever it wants.
Sad, but true.
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Old 01-29-2021, 06:33 PM
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It's pretty self explanatory. No "interpretation" needed

Sad, but true.
If the constitution is silent on this, as it is on almost all modern issues, I'd argue that constitutionality is irrelevant. If you are reading it as a textualist then you need to be consistent and read all of it as a textualist. The enumerated powers are the ones specifically granted and protected and the enumerated prohibitions are specifically not permitted all else is undetermined or left to the people to decide.
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