LOA to change TOE’s
02-19-2021, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bluto13
Union better get something for this change as it’s going to cost senior FO’s (and sometimes a lucky junior FO) a ton of money and probably cause a bunch of them to finally bid Capt, which will cost the junior Capt’s, etc etc.
02-19-2021, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
why? If I’m not mistaken you can still bid TATL trips, if you are awarded one they will either give you an LCA to fly with or buy you off the trip. Am I wrong or is there something else I’m missing?
02-19-2021, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
why? If I’m not mistaken you can still bid TATL trips, if you are awarded one they will either give you an LCA to fly with or buy you off the trip. Am I wrong or is there something else I’m missing?
02-19-2021, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
It changes who gets bought off the trips. Senior FOs would bid with LCA and get bought off of trips for TOE on the 7ER. The LOA concern is that the junior FO without theater qual gets bought off. In some cases they may find an LCA and buy the Capt trip. A third possibility is using LVP for FO theater qual. I have no insight into the LOA, just speculation on how it could be written.
02-19-2021, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Because for a long time it was a BFD. And there are still aspects that get messed up that can lead to getting violated. Some of that has to do with the oceanic CTAs and their job protections which is understandable.
And... since Capts more often than not take the middle break going east, there are 2 FOs in the seat in the middle of the ocean. That's probably why it IS a BFD still for FOs. I find it interesting that you made that part of your post.
And... since Capts more often than not take the middle break going east, there are 2 FOs in the seat in the middle of the ocean. That's probably why it IS a BFD still for FOs. I find it interesting that you made that part of your post.
I was an FO forever on Int'l. Made a bazillion NAT crossings. Comparatively speaking to other flying it was/is a cake walk. I don't why we make such a big deal about it now. No longer are we L1011-ing across the atlantic. That ended in the 90's. Redundent systems, CPDLC. Easy-peesy.
NATs are about as easy as flying gets. Scripted to the max. We had/have great products on the EFB and lots and lots of checklists.
I'm out of the fight anyway. Was curious why we had such a lengthy checkout to begin with. In the AF you'd routinely have very junior crews running the tanks and transports across the atlantic no problemo.
Take care James.
02-19-2021, 05:07 PM
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Going to go with the iPad based video training for off track contingency planning is probably better than a 3 hour briefing on a crossing in the middle of the night. It's a great resource (if it's still there; I'm domestic now), and readily available for review before a trip.
SATCOM has made everything much easier, and as long as someone up there remembers how to make a position report and tune an HF radio, there's not much else to it.
That medical event during a crossing that was recently highlighted on DLNET was pretty wild though. Proprietary, yadda, yadda...but if you haven't looked it over, I'd encourage you to go read it.
SATCOM has made everything much easier, and as long as someone up there remembers how to make a position report and tune an HF radio, there's not much else to it.
That medical event during a crossing that was recently highlighted on DLNET was pretty wild though. Proprietary, yadda, yadda...but if you haven't looked it over, I'd encourage you to go read it.
02-19-2021, 05:27 PM
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Maybe we should consider splitting the 7ER category into something like...... the 757 and the 7ER category? One category does domestic the other category is primarily international with an occasional domestic trip. I wonder if that could work?
02-19-2021, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tripled
Maybe we should consider splitting the 7ER category into something like...... the 757 and the 7ER category? One category does domestic the other category is primarily international with an occasional domestic trip. I wonder if that could work?
I have a feeling that will happen as we have offloaded a few of our 7ERs already and they have said too that international will be the last to return. We have plenty of 330’s and the 765 to take over international markets as they come back. Personally I feel this will self correct itself through network and won’t be that big of a deal. The 7ER fleet is going to most likely look extremely similar to how it is now going forward.
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02-19-2021, 11:36 PM
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Not necessarily the intended topic and I have no concern about how DL conducts training but here is some data from the NAT SPG (North Atlantic Systems Planning Group).
https://ops.group/dashboard/wp-conte...ety-Report.pdf
https://ops.group/dashboard/wp-conte...ety-Report.pdf
02-20-2021, 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
My first trip off TOE and OE (direct to the ER from New Hire), was taking another new guy on his TOE.
"So, how many crossings have you done since TOE"
'This is the first'
Kind of like my first 757-300 landing.
New Captain.. Just off OE. I'd been flying the ER, but had been a Intl Yellow Slip Ninja for my first year or so, so had been on it for about 14 months before I ever flew a 300..
Captain: "How does the 300 land"
Me: Dunno. Never done it. I've been told use flaps 30.
Captain: You need an Autoland or Sim CAT III?
Me: Won't hurt. Let's see how HAL lands this thing.
"So, how many crossings have you done since TOE"
'This is the first'
Kind of like my first 757-300 landing.
New Captain.. Just off OE. I'd been flying the ER, but had been a Intl Yellow Slip Ninja for my first year or so, so had been on it for about 14 months before I ever flew a 300..
Captain: "How does the 300 land"
Me: Dunno. Never done it. I've been told use flaps 30.
Captain: You need an Autoland or Sim CAT III?
Me: Won't hurt. Let's see how HAL lands this thing.
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