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Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 3248473)

That was not uncommon on the Shuttle....especially on a 5-leg day where you overblock on the first two or three legs and then they drop the last turn rather than keep running in delay and this knock you back down to your original guarantee. All that "work" for nothing....well.....there was the earlier finish so you could have that going for you, which is nice. 😁

Not that it matters in my situation, but I was reserve at the time.
Day 4/4 had 5 legs. We over blocked quite a bit on the trip because the other pilot was very new. So I played it safe and slow. I was rerouted for legs 2 & 3 out of the 5, and that turn was very efficient because I flew with a seasoned pilot and we under blocked quite a bit. That under blocking ate into the extra credit that had accumulated over the course of the non-rerouted rotation.
I’m over it now, but it ground my gears for weeks after the fact. Lesson learned.

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Originally Posted by Bert Sampson (Post 3248607)

I’m not saying they’re not, but as the logic of this board dictates that the most egregious anecdotes become the assumed norm regardless of statistical frequency,

It would be nice if the company or ALPA published reroute data. I believe the scheduling committee has posted some of it before, but not regularly.

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simply color me skeptical that the loudmouths *aren’t* overpowering the narrative.

I agree even though I’m guilty at times.

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But improve away at PWA language, I’m not going to stand in your way.

I’d love to see it but not holding my breath.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3248497)

I guess it comes down to what you consider a necessary change. The key reason Delta survived and flourished post chapter 11 was RA taking the helm and making ontime and reliability the number one priority. Excelling at that is what led Delta to significant margin increases over the competition, rapid advancement fir pilots and the PS checks we enjoyed pre covid. Handcuff the company on reroutes and the numbers go in the wrong direction.

So you'd rather be paid an extra .001% profit sharing rather work for a properly staffed airline?

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Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 3248825)

So you'd rather be paid an extra .001% profit sharing rather work for a properly staffed airline?

I would rather work for a highly successful airline because that more than any other factor is what will determine the outcome of my career. Delta is well staffed at the moment for pilots. They just don’t have them in the right seats.
In the times Delta ran a crappy airline losses to the pilot group went way beyond profit sharing.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3248846)

My 35 voicemails for over 70 GS in the last two days, many of which are OOB says otherwise.

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Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3248848)

My 35 voicemails for over 70 GS in the last two days, many of which are OOB says otherwise.

I’m NB and have had one Arcos call in the last 6 weeks with a constant blanket GS request in. I think he’s probably right, we’re not short pilots, just trained pilots in the right aircraft.

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Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3248870)

I’m NB and have had one Arcos call in the last 6 weeks with a constant blanket GS request in. I think he’s probably right, we’re not short pilots, just trained pilots in the right aircraft.

I'm guessing you are on the 220 or 717

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3248872)

I'm guessing you are on the 220 or 717

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Yep, although some of the 737 categories aren’t getting a lot either.

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Originally Posted by buckleyboy (Post 3248425)

No joke here: I once got rerouted and, because it reduced credit, it also reduced pay.

Reroute language definitely needs improvement.

At no time do we EVER "lose pay" due to a reroute. When you are awarded a trip as a line holder, whether initial PBS award or any other method, you are always guaranteed the value of the trip as created. Then that is "set aside" and your trip as you fly it becomes a work in progress. Depending on a host of possibilities, the value of your trip might increase or decrease, often several times throughout the course of the trip. Pilots should realize that just because you over blocked an hour on day one of a four day doesn't mean you've automatically made an extra hour. Further changes are always possible.

When the trip as you flew it is complete, then that value is compared to the original value and you get the higher of the two.

Let me put it this way. Let's say you have a five day originally worth 26.15. By day two, due to all sorts of bad weather, you have over blocked a lot and now your rotation shows 28 hours. "We're making time baby!" you say. Then on day three the rest of the trip cancels and you get to go home.

You get 26.15, the original value of the trip. Has the IROPS in this example "cost you?" Absolutely not. In fact in this example you're getting 26.15 for what turned out to be a three day (yes this is an extreme example that likely won't ever happen, but you get the point).

Reroutes can suck at times. I've been there. But they never, ever cost you anything other than hypothetical money. NEVER automatically assume that just because at some point your rotation shows you as "making time" that that is set in stone. Only the original value of your trip is guaranteed. All else is "TBD"

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Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3248873)

Yep, although some of the 737 categories aren’t getting a lot either.

Yup if you're junior and already flying the weekends in bases like MSP and SEA probably won't get alot of calls midweek. My OOBGS ARCOS has been ringing off the hook on weekends. LAX, SLC, DTW, SEA, MSP, DTW and of course NYC

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