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DLASFlyer 04-03-2021 04:39 PM

Easter Meltdown
 
Looks like the ghost of Thanksgiving and Christmas is back. 73 flights canceled for tomorrow so far.

Middle seat blocking is suspended for the next two days to try and help people get where they are going.

fishforfun 04-03-2021 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by DLASFlyer (Post 3216231)
Looks like the ghost of Thanksgiving and Christmas is back. 73 flights canceled for tomorrow so far.

Middle seat blocking is suspended for the next two days to try and help people get where they are going.

Where are you seeing we are suspending the middle seat thing? We (NYC320B) still have over 20 trips in open time for tomorrow. But hey, we showed everyone with our woke policies. I left the military because the loss of mission focus was getting so bad. Seeing that same thing here. We’ve lost complete sight of what we are supposed to be able to do but we sure have some really cool pins and flags.

Der Meister 04-03-2021 04:52 PM

It's probably due to the leap year last year and those unforecasted summer thunderstorms. :D

#Gummed

DALFA 04-03-2021 04:54 PM

Maybe a certain someone should spend a little less time parroting liberal lies and a little more time running the airline.

DALFA 04-03-2021 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3216235)
Where are you seeing we are suspending the middle seat thing? We (NYC320B) still have over 20 trips in open time for tomorrow. But hey, we showed everyone with our woke policies. I left the military because the loss of mission focus was getting so bad. Seeing that same thing here. We’ve lost complete sight of what we are supposed to be able to do but we sure have some really cool pins and flags.

You think Ed could talk Stacy Abrams into sitting in the right seat of an A320 to help out the operation? You know...put your backpack on Stacy.

Speed Select 04-03-2021 04:56 PM

CDC says it’s safe to travel. Will this be permanent?

SaveFerris 04-03-2021 05:01 PM

Thanksgiving 2020 Meltdown, Christmas 2020 Meltdown, Easter 2021 Meltdown. That’s 3 strikes in less than 5 months. How many do these guys get?

ppping 04-03-2021 05:04 PM

Ed and his crew are destroying the brand and customer loyalty perhaps permanently. Weather is gorgeous around the country, people are raring to go on vacations that they haven’t been able to go on in a year and they have no idea if they will get there because delta sold em a ticket on a plane they knowingly couldn’t staff or are so incompetent they had no idea.
What the F is the BOD doing and if. It then the shareholders. Union needs to send out an email because we are all stakeholders.

DALFA 04-03-2021 05:06 PM

Up to 77 cancellations and rising...

XJ86 04-03-2021 05:10 PM

hahahahah maybe less time focused on woke racist bs and political pandering and more time on running an airline

fishforfun 04-03-2021 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 3216246)
Up to 77 cancellations and rising...

I heard Stacy only had a GSWC in so it may be a bit before she bails us out.

Where do you see the cancellation count?

DALFA 04-03-2021 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3216258)
I heard Stacy only had a GSWC in so it may be a bit before she bails us out.

Where do you see the cancellation count?

https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled/tomorrow

fishforfun 04-03-2021 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 3216272)

Wow, we look great on there. Only China Eastern has us beat.

waldo135 04-03-2021 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 3216272)

UA-1, AA-4, DAL-71
Utterly embarrassing

Buck Rogers 04-03-2021 06:17 PM

Trip, Gucci, Ooff? All you guys vociferiously supporting Ed in the other thread have a logical answer?
Just curious....I'm always interested in another perspective.

Gunfighter 04-03-2021 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 3216285)
UA-1, AA-4, DAL-71
Utterly embarrassing

Lack of an FA union contributed to the last three holiday meltdowns. If they would have voted in a union, we could have avoided this disaster. DALFA let’s fix this!!!

TED74 04-03-2021 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by waldo135 (Post 3216285)
UA-1, AA-4, DAL-71
Utterly embarrassing

It would be interesting to plot cancellations of all the majors for all of the holidays in the last 12 months. It seems we’ve been an outlier for every single one of them.

20Fathoms 04-03-2021 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3216315)
It would be interesting to plot cancellations of all the majors for all of the holidays in the last 12 months. It seems we’ve been an outlier for every single one of them.


Agreed. Gives one a bad feeling to say the least. Pre-COVID all they could talk about was how we were the airline that never cancels. They said it gave us a crazy revenue premium, especially with business travelers. I know we have a premium currently due to middle seat blocking, it would be a shame to pi££ that away cause we can’t get our stuff together.

I’d say someone needs to be held accountable, but they’ll probably just get a non-bonus bonus and maybe a lateral transfer.

Red Forman 04-03-2021 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 3216246)
Up to 77 cancellations and rising...

Good, keep them coming.

OOfff 04-03-2021 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3216299)
Trip, Gucci, Ooff? All you guys vociferiously supporting Ed in the other thread have a logical answer?
Just curious....I'm always interested in another perspective.

link to me “vociferously supporting Ed?” Or is this another strawman?

Trip7 04-03-2021 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3216299)
Trip, Gucci, Ooff? All you guys vociferiously supporting Ed in the other thread have a logical answer?

Just curious....I'm always interested in another perspective.

This goes back to management's odd decision to run a very unrealistic displacement bid that they are still trying to recover from. My only guess is for them, all this is worth the cost of keeping unions away from other work groups

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2StgTurbine 04-03-2021 10:22 PM

Remember when they said they could staff the airline with 5,200 pilots...

saturn 04-03-2021 10:31 PM

Can't wait for Memorial day weekend, or 4th of July. If I needed to travel over a holiday I'd have no confidence right about now. Total embarrassment.

Pilot staffing projections have been atrocious the last few years... ever since they pumped the brakes on hiring in 2018. I think they need new leadership. We keep erring on the side of cut too deep.

crzepilot 04-04-2021 01:09 AM

Maybe in years past when there were pilots who did GS on holidays have finally eliminated their goodwill to the company. Delta has attempted at every turn of the Pandemic to scam us. And this staffing issue has been going on for the last 4 months. Who the hell makes a schedule knowing full well they don’t have the minimum number of pilots? And frankly if I have to turn down another ****ty turkey sandwich, I’m going to puke. I literally Blocked Delta’s number that they use to make inverse assignment calls because I have been getting them for the last 3 months pretty regularly up to 3 times a day on my days off. This isn’t vaccine problems. And evening I did schedule the vaccine of days off it’s sort of hard to fly with the required 48:00 waiting period when my f’ing schedule was built with 72 hours off in between the majority of my rotations. That memo was ridiculous. Maybe Laughter could help out and come fly a rotation...oh wait a minute...

PilotJ3 04-04-2021 01:21 AM


Originally Posted by crzepilot (Post 3216386)
Maybe in years past when there were pilots who did GS on holidays have finally eliminated their goodwill to the company. Delta has attempted at every turn of the Pandemic to scam us. And this staffing issue has been going on for the last 4 months. Who the hell makes a schedule knowing full well they don’t have the minimum number of pilots? And frankly if I have to turn down another ****ty turkey sandwich, I’m going to puke.

There’s too many trips open and too many pilots sitting home waiting for training.

They made their bed, now have to sleep on it. So much for the “team that brought massive profits, trust us”.

crzepilot 04-04-2021 01:26 AM

Exactly they wanted to play the mental game with the pilot group. Now they can play the financial game with their balance sheet, they could have recalled the UNAs months ago.what did everyone do, book their tickets last week? It’s apparent that schedule reliability is going to be a problem. Why would I come to work on a day off to be subjected to a self induced IROP.

PilotJ3 04-04-2021 01:45 AM


Originally Posted by crzepilot (Post 3216390)
Exactly they wanted to play the mental game with the pilot group. Now they can play the financial game with their balance sheet, they could have recalled the UNAs months ago.what did everyone do, book their tickets last week? It’s apparent that schedule reliability is going to be a problem. Why would I come to work on a day off to be subjected to a self induced IROP.


They could’ve have recalled the UNAs, but...there’s a big training bottleneck. I have trips with LCAs this month...none of them have OE assigned.

They never should’ve place people in UNA to save some money and could’ve keep people current every 3 months. They found the UNA loophole, exploited and now have another issue, all while taking payroll support from the government and not being ready for the demand.

Summer is going to be crazy...definitely will RT june-august.

DWC CAP10 USAF 04-04-2021 02:17 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 3216392)
They could’ve have recalled the UNAs, but...there’s a big training bottleneck. I have trips with LCAs this month...none of them have OE assigned.

They never should’ve place people in UNA to save some money and could’ve keep people current every 3 months. They found the UNA loophole, exploited and now have another issue, all while taking payroll support from the government and not being ready for the demand.

Summer is going to be crazy...definitely will RT june-august.

The training bottleneck is self induced on their part, mainly because of how they offered the MOAD, then VEOP.

UAL did displace on a smaller scale and kept all their pilots flying very minimally to keep recency.

They are now resuming off the street hiring.

“What’s a SIL?”
- RG

fishforfun 04-04-2021 03:17 AM

Love the critical ops update. Nice little dig about pilots getting the vaccine and it interfering with trips. Give me a break. I had no desire or need to get the vaccine. Now I’m seriously considering it.

TED74 04-04-2021 03:31 AM

I stumbled across this online when trying to ascertain how many cancellations we’ve has so far this weekend, under the heading “This isn’t who we are.” The article wasn’t dated, but I can think of half a dozen incidents this could have pertained to, including this weekend. It seems this is EXACTLY who we are.


“This isn’t the quality of service, the reliability that you've come to expect from Delta Air Lines," Bastian said. "We’re very sorry, I’m personally very sorry.”

Bastian thanked customers for their patience and loyalty while acknowledging their frustration. "We’ll do everything we can to make sure this never happens again," he said.

dbrownie 04-04-2021 03:39 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3216403)
I stumbled across this online when trying to ascertain how many cancellations we’ve has so far this weekend, under the heading “This isn’t who we are.” The article wasn’t dated, but I can think of half a dozen incidents this could have pertained to, including this weekend. It seems this is EXACTLY who we are.


“This isn’t the quality of service, the reliability that you've come to expect from Delta Air Lines," Bastian said. "We’re very sorry, I’m personally very sorry.”

Bastian thanked customers for their patience and loyalty while acknowledging their frustration. "We’ll do everything we can to make sure this never happens again," he said.

until the next holiday....then meltdown again

HTBH 04-04-2021 04:55 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3216403)
I stumbled across this online when trying to ascertain how many cancellations we’ve has so far this weekend, under the heading “This isn’t who we are.” The article wasn’t dated, but I can think of half a dozen incidents this could have pertained to, including this weekend. It seems this is EXACTLY who we are.


“This isn’t the quality of service, the reliability that you've come to expect from Delta Air Lines," Bastian said. "We’re very sorry, I’m personally very sorry.”

Bastian thanked customers for their patience and loyalty while acknowledging their frustration. "We’ll do everything we can to make sure this never happens again," he said.

I think leaving the article undated let’s them easily use it over and over again when this happens. So each holiday meltdown they can stay consistent in their messaging to angry customers 😀.

Looking at flightaware we are up to 75 cancellations for today. Not sure about previous days... ouch...

boog123 04-04-2021 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 3216381)
Remember when they said they could staff the airline with 5,200 pilots...

i remember most of the usual crowd starting the concession talk. The CVG boys certainly have been quiet lately. Hopefully the new norm.

notEnuf 04-04-2021 05:22 AM

Got my jab last night. I’m the problem, sorry. The memo came out hours later. I understand I let you all down. This is not my usual MO. I will set up a hand picked committee with a diverse background to evaluate this. The committee will have broad latitude to investigate and your cooperation is appreciated. The committee will report their findings directly to me. Secondly, I will personally oversee the implementation of the recommendations for implementing all necessary steps to correct this oversight. You have my full commitment that this will be addressed immediately and thoroughly. Once again I am deeply sorry for your inconvenience and thank you for your support.

beernutt 04-04-2021 05:42 AM

I’ve never seen so many people so happy when their company is having a hard time, regardless of how they think it happened. I just don’t get the whole ‘good, I hope they choke on it’ attitude.

Happy Easter.

OOfff 04-04-2021 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by beernutt (Post 3216433)
I’ve never seen so many people so happy when their company is having a hard time, regardless of how they think it happened. I just don’t get the whole ‘good, I hope they choke on it’ attitude.

Happy Easter.

well said.

Bert Sampson 04-04-2021 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by beernutt (Post 3216433)
I’ve never seen so many people so happy when their company is having a hard time, regardless of how they think it happened. I just don’t get the whole ‘good, I hope they choke on it’ attitude.

Happy Easter.

I can’t speak for others but for me it’s more of an “any one of us could have told them this is exactly what would happen and here we are” kind of validation.

freezingflyboy 04-04-2021 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by Bert Sampson (Post 3216440)
I can’t speak for others but for me it’s more of an “any one of us could have told them this is exactly what would happen and here we are” kind of validation.

Agreed. Maybe it's because I'm young, but I want Delta to go forth and prosper in a manner that benefits all stake holders, especially us employees who have hitched our cart to this mule for the next 30+ years. Really, truly I do. But God damn...there has got to be a better way!

Abouttime2fish 04-04-2021 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 3216449)
Agreed. Maybe it's because I'm young, but I want Delta to go forth and prosper in a manner that benefits all stake holders, especially us employees who have hitched our cart to this mule for the next 30+ years. Really, truly I do. But God damn...there has got to be a better way!

There is. It starts with the BOD removing Ed.

NuGuy 04-04-2021 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by beernutt (Post 3216433)
I’ve never seen so many people so happy when their company is having a hard time, regardless of how they think it happened. I just don’t get the whole ‘good, I hope they choke on it’ attitude.

Happy Easter.

Happy? No. More likely a certain amount of schadenfreude.


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