They didn't burn any cities down now did they?

They didn't smash and loot and openly thieve from businesses in the name of some fake movement.

They didn't demand corporations bend to their will thru extortion of violence did they?

Most of that breech was committed by agent provocateurs. Many cases against the non-antifa dropped by the DoJ.

Its sad someone can be so blind as you to reality. There is no going back as DALFA said, this is the way it will be until it isn't.

I don't want to be around for that. Neither do you.

Every time I see a Delta BLM pin I comment because that was the avowed purpose of the overt display..." to promote discussion". I say , "Oh, I see you have the BLM pin...how nice. .... I think you're a chump",. I figure if they can force their opinion on me, I can tell them what I think.

I also think an argument can be made that the BLM pin is a hostile work environment action. Since ALL the money for BLM goes to Democrats and progressive causes(via Act Blue)...that the pin is a political statement. That is not appropriate in the work place, and some might find it offensive or hostile.

Delta....stay outta effing politics!!!! You chump.

So what you' re saying is all will be well for the summer? Seriously?

At least you admitted the pilot manning failure. That must have hurt you to type that out.

my bet is that you don’t actually call coworkers “chumps” to their face but this is a fun fantasy post.

I would be interested in seeing how many pilots dropped trips due the Covid shot policy over the Easter week-end. As far as I know, we are the only carrier that lets you drop the a for pay for a Covid vaccine. (personally, I have been trying to jam 2 x 4 day trips together so my 1 trip drop will take out both trips):cool:...gotta know the rules to play the game...I jest. I jest...sort of.

My guess, if only 5% strategically got the shot over that weekend....the results we saw would ensue.

All guesses on my part but something that I would like factual data on.

we are not the only airline that lets you drop trips for pay for the vaccine

Thats funny. A pin is forcing opinions on you. A pin is creating a hostile work environment. You antagonizing a coworker because of a pin is acceptable? How do you feel about NGPA pins? WIA pins? Are those forcing opinions on you? How about the rainbow ALPA lanyard? The horror. You better call all who wear those names too.

But more importantly, do you find any merit in the logic?

And, while you are correct as of now, the closer I get to my retirement the greater the likely hood. So, I feel I can get away with "ignorant" for a bit and have "plausible deniability". At the end state the PK=100%.of me becoming more strident and using "Chump". A man's gotta know not only what battles to fall on his petard for, but also the timing of said event is important.

The closer I get to retirement, the more it irks me that one side has unfettered access to force their opinion on me but I have to be the mute......Call it an "old man thing"

Yeah, he’s a liar. Let him
have his Karen moments lol

Immaterial to my point. You got any facts as to numbers of pilots that availed themselves of this? That is the real question for me, and that, was plainly evident. Sorry you had to get your glasses to read between the lines to take something out of context.

Well, apparently the Trump sticker I had on my suitcase created a hostile work environment. So yeah, I think BLM pins are offensive. But I guess my opinion and feelings don't matter.

Boog for the win....always stand in awe or your well thought out rebuttals. Again. You might not agree with my logic, but there is some logic there, at least something worthy of consideration. And some facts. Look up trying to donate to BLM....it sends you to Act Blue....then look up Act Blue.....it is a political organization. Delta funded one way political points of view at the work place are offensive to about half the population. Seems pretty logical so far. And my summation was Delta...stay out of effing politics at the work place!

so, you just lied about how you treat your coworkers to make yourself look cool on the internet. Yikes

I’m not going to buy into your perspective of reality and you won’t see mine.

it’s not out of context. You said:


and that is very incorrect.

lmfao I can’t believe drum is still buying into the “it was antifa on the capitol steps” lie.

People are upset if their point of view isn’t embraced. Right or left. That’s the point of the article. When is enough, enough? That’s easy to complain about if your on the side that has been in the dominant position of power and control.

people want to “feel” like the companies they work for represent their ideals. It’s a difficult balancing act for companies. They are business entities and they would rather stay out of these things. To quote Michael Jordan,“Republicans buy sneakers, too,”

You know they have a lobbyist or 10, right? Oh, just the politics you want them out of. OK.

New balance already covers that market

They are all made in the same Chinese sweatshops. But let's talk about reparations for slavery that ended 150 years ago shallwe?

I have nothing to do with that conversation, and that’s an entirely different thread. I was simply making a new balance joke

And....just like that another thread goes down the political rabbit hole.

Don’t need to write some long post to get the point across that you’re lying about calling your co-workers, at work, “Chumps”. Didn’t happen. Very Trump like of you to push bravado on things that didn’t happen though. Funny

Maybe the civility will come back when companies stop interjecting into political issues with divisive rhetoric.

Did Buck call you a chump too?

I think we can all agree that using UNA as a category was an incredibly stupid idea to begin with. You’re already forced by the PSP to provide full pay, and the difference between 737 reserve guarantee and 717 @ 65 hours is minuscule in the grand scheme. Why not just keep those people qualified and now you’re fat on narrow body FOs that you’re already paying for anyway.

This.

But at least there's no FA union.

If mgmt track record is any indication... I suspect AFA will be on property by years end. Then this is all a total loss.

Not a SWA expert but heard the legend that Herb Kelleher once told his pilots to organize because he was tired of trying to cat wrangle the lot of them every day. "Pick your reps and send them to me please" kind of thing.

I think most pilots never really cared either way about a FA drive as its clearly their decision. But playing high stakes poker with the operation as some kind of philosophical prime directive may mean its time to remove that as a variable? Whatever, its up to them.

UAL guy here. Just thought I’d chime in on your post.

Any UAL pilot that took the time and understood there was a long game gamble being placed voted yes.

IMHO, anyone against it was looking at “how does it affect me today” vice where we will be at some point in the not too distant future.

Those that complain loudly were in the former group. And most of them are now coming around.

I won’t try and compare your solution to ours. I will say that we don’t have the UNA option you do so that wasn’t on the table.

A long bet was made. In the end thanks to continued government cheese (factored in to our strategy) we made a good deal on this.

Yes, luck was involved but I’d rather be lucky than good. In this case, we were both IMHO.

Yall take care!

Lee

Thanks Lee. To me, it seemed pretty reasonable to avert furloughs. Interesting how on these boards there can only be one solution. You guys had a lot of moving parts' but the detractors only want to paint one pic as do the supporters. Always good to get more info of a reasonable nature. Cheers' Buck

While I realize that this is a Delta Forum, I feel I needed to weigh in after a comment-
IMHO, anyone against it was looking at “how does it affect me today” vice where we will be at some point in the not too distant future.
Both Delta and United are ALPA. Yet we have both gone in different directions.
Delta seems to have held the line and allowed the Pilot group to dictate the direction of the MEC via survey, time and a vote.
We did things differently. MEC went along with the company, no survey and then the rush to vote.

I was an adamant NO Voter and still am. We got lucky (you are right!).
I (and most) would never have believed there would be a Cares Act 3. Let along that companies would Hire and/or cancel flights AFTER taking the money!
I voted NO BECAUSE I believe in Seniority, I believe in Unionism. Not because of how it affects me today but HOW does it affect me AND my pilot group (and Profession) in the future.

Who knows how long EB remains at the helm of Delta, or TI remains at the helm of UAL/ALPA?
All about Luck (as u stated) but also about timing.

Unionism use to stand for something. It's been misplaced (or divided into 3rds!) on our side, hopefully it's not lost at this side.

Good Luck Delta ALPA ( and pilot group!)
Hold the line
Fly Safe, Fly Professionally and Fly the Contract~
Always
Motch

PS)
3 Yrs 5 Months 17 Days-
Since TI and our union stated they were working with management to get a new UPA (at amendable date)
2 Yrs, 2 Months, 5 Days-
Since our UPA became amendable
1 Yr, 3 Months, 4 Days-
Since 2/3rds of this pilot group saw a pay raise, though about a 3rd does have the opportunity to bid into a higher seat (maybe)

I disagree with about 98% of what you say but that was funny. Maybe I could share a cockpit with you.

on a totally unrelated (politically) note, looks like they are removing the seat cap for good. But looks like non-revs get the short end of the stick. Not sure how to read the memo quite honestly. On DL Net

While we're comparing strategies during the pandemic not sure I'd want to trade places with United pilots. United flies about 250 more RJ's than we do (DL 344, UAL 599, AAL 560) while we brought the 717 and A220s into the mainline fleet. That's quite a few mainline jobs. When I look around at the "partnerships" at AAL with JetBlue and Alaska, I think we're in a pretty good spot as a pilot group. We also instantly add near 30% capacity when the middle seat block goes away. We'll be fine IMO.

So......via flightaware, Delta at ZERO cancellations for today.

137 flights "delayed", which isn't something to write home about, but vastly better than "cancelled".

Peeps remember "cancelled" for the rest of their lives.

They'll forget "delayed" (if they don't miss connections) as soon as they read their next tweet/instagram/swipe left/right.

So...good news. Generally speaking.

Just imagine how many RJs our management would be flying if the PWA permitted 600. They’d probably have an “oops” and fly 750.

True about the RJs, but they also fly many more widebodies. My buddies hired close to the same time as me here at the D are going to be able to hold WB captain at about 45 years old. We are parking ours...

Size doesn’t matter....or so we’re all told


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Just read the "update" and it's a bit confusing. Interesting enough, the update is in the FlightOps memo and there's nothing about it on the InFlight side.