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Hossharris 04-11-2021 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by RunFast (Post 3220197)
Evangeline Lilly

Giggety

(filler)

Gunfighter 04-11-2021 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3220317)
If you have blinders on or are full of negativity, these will be unforeseen. Some people are like that.

​​​​​​You mean like the people who oversaw Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter? Sorry, can't help, I'll be in training that weekend removing my NQ status. I'll be ready for Independence Day unless I'm out getting my shot.

HTBH 04-11-2021 01:11 PM

Looks like we are no where near the cancellations of SWA and AAL today.

sailingfun 04-11-2021 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3219981)
I think we should get rid of the longevity scale. Why should a Delta 737 fo make less money than a Delta 737 fo? They do the exact same job.

Virtually no company anywhere pays that way in any business. They all reward longevity as they should.

tennisguru 04-11-2021 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by HTBH (Post 3220349)
Looks like we are no where near the cancellations of SWA and AAL today.

Well Miami has pretty much been closed all day so that definitely hurts AA. Plus the rest of FL is a disaster so SW probably has a ton of flights affected.

Gone Flying 04-11-2021 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by HTBH (Post 3220349)
Looks like we are no where near the cancellations of SWA and AAL today.

AA has a large hub in MIA and WN is big in FLL, MCO, and TPA. All of which got slammed with storms most of today

just a thought

Lifeisgood 04-11-2021 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by N6279P (Post 3217463)
How’s that wide body fleet looking?

Right here on APC, 767 or larger
UAL: 183
DAL: 155

firstmob 04-11-2021 05:30 PM

My son lives in a Delta city which pre covid had reasonably good Delta service since then not only have flights decreased but also service. He flies frequently in his position and so far is a loyal Delta MILLION MILER. Talked to him today and he is seriously looking to change his primary airline. We (our leader) is getting crucified on national media and not running the airline so I wonder how many of our loyal customers find themselves in a similar situation as my son?

DWC CAP10 USAF 04-11-2021 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by firstmob (Post 3220320)
Isn't Memorial Day always on a Monday!

yup....last Monday of May.

TegridyFarms 04-11-2021 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by firstmob (Post 3220428)
My son lives in a Delta city which pre covid had reasonably good Delta service since then not only have flights decreased but also service. He flies frequently in his position and so far is a loyal Delta MILLION MILER. Talked to him today and he is seriously looking to change his primary airline. We (our leader) is getting crucified on national media and not running the airline so I wonder how many of our loyal customers find themselves in a similar situation as my son?

X2 for my old man, out of one of our focus cities.... and he gets Porsche service most of the time. Still can’t build reasonable itineraries. We will see what this new “service” brings April 15th with food and drinks—but in first class the guy can’t even get a soda, but can get beer and wine. Oh and a tapas box with hummus that expires in 12 years. He’s been cheating on the D with the U and not hating it. Meals, service, frequency, you know all the things someone whose company spends six figures on tickets a year moving him around the world looks for.

trent890 04-11-2021 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by HTBH (Post 3220349)
Looks like we are no where near the cancellations of SWA and AAL today.

SWA and AAL are also dealing with the latest B737 MAX 8 groundings for recent production issue related to electrical system.

theUpsideDown 04-12-2021 03:13 AM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3220439)
yup....last Monday of May.

Even on leap year? That seems, almost like, you should be able to predict that sorta holiday weekend.

We going for four in a row?

N6279P 04-12-2021 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 3220410)
Right here on APC, 767 or larger
UAL: 183
DAL: 155

APC isn’t accurate. Check Air Fleets website.

DL: 123
UA: 213

JamesBond 04-12-2021 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by N6279P (Post 3220581)
APC isn’t accurate. Check Air Fleets website.

DL: 123
UA: 213

Without getting into the whole "Is a 767 a real widebody" argument.... is this about size or pay?

Drum 04-12-2021 09:32 AM

PB day question
 
So I just finished a 4 day trip where the last leg was a red-eye that landed at 0645 that ran in to a hard no fly day ( so really a 5 day trip). Correct me if I'm wrong but this should award me a PB day?

I'm reserve - not by choice as I am < 60% in category - we just seem to have this manning problem due to the vaccine or so I'm told....

Not a YS, this trip was assigned by CS.

boog123 04-12-2021 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3218380)
FWIW, every black polo shirt pilot that talked to me about monetizing profit sharing last time around was way over the hill. May or may not have been boomers...


Did they still use their call sign to introduce themselves?

All 5 Stages 04-12-2021 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3220641)
So I just finished a 4 day trip where the last leg was a red-eye that landed at 0645 that ran in to a hard no fly day ( so really a 5 day trip). Correct me if I'm wrong but this should award me a PB day?

I'm reserve - not by choice as I am < 60% in category - we just seem to have this manning problem due to the vaccine or so I'm told....

Not a YS, this trip was assigned by CS.

You should get 9 hours free of duty upon your new release at the completion of your rotation; and your X-days start afterwards. PWA 23.S.9.a has an example.

A5S

Drum 04-12-2021 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by All 5 Stages (Post 3220678)
You should get 9 hours free of duty upon your new release at the completion of your rotation; and your X-days start afterwards. PWA 23.S.9.a has an example.

A5S

I read that.

In my case I go back on LC. My golden X day is gone as I got back in base at 0715 that morning. I have today off go back on LC tomorrow. My golden X day is gone, nothing got slid to the right. I should get a PB day for the fact they scheduled me into my hard off day right?

That reference above is not about that.

Jodaaddy 04-12-2021 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3220641)
So I just finished a 4 day trip where the last leg was a red-eye that landed at 0645 that ran in to a hard no fly day ( so really a 5 day trip). Correct me if I'm wrong but this should award me a PB day?

I'm reserve - not by choice as I am < 60% in category - we just seem to have this manning problem due to the vaccine or so I'm told....

Not a YS, this trip was assigned by CS.

9 hours free from duty after your release plus 24 off for each X day interrupted. Double check their work, crew sched has literally screwed this up the last 4 times for me. Most of the time they forget about the 9 hours. This morning, I had to call and correct them because they gave me the 9 hours, but no PB day. Extremely frustrating when they can’t do their job correctly.

Also of note, every time I’ve ever been rerouted into an X day, crew sched has never applied the PB day. I’ve had to call them every time to get it fixed.

Drum 04-12-2021 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Jodaaddy (Post 3220687)
9 hours free from duty after your release plus 24 off for each X day interrupted. Double check their work, crew sched has literally screwed this up the last 4 times for me. Most of the time they forget about the 9 hours. This morning, I had to call and correct them because they gave me the 9 hours, but no PB day. Extremely frustrating when they can’t do their job correctly.

Also of note, every time I’ve ever been rerouted into an X day, crew sched has never applied the PB day. I’ve had to call them every time to get it fixed.

This is more in line with what I thought. I'll call them. I was just trying to find the actual wording of "awarded a PB day" but can't find it in the PWA.

Iceberg 04-12-2021 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3220689)
This is more in line with what I thought. I'll call them. I was just trying to find the actual wording of "awarded a PB day" but can't find it in the PWA.

23.S.9 should help out

JamesBond 04-12-2021 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 3220644)
Did they still use their call sign to introduce themselves?

Probably said 'shack' though if they got in a good zinger.

Rooster435 04-12-2021 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3220680)
I read that.

In my case I go back on LC. My golden X day is gone as I got back in base at 0715 that morning. I have today off go back on LC tomorrow. My golden X day is gone, nothing got slid to the right. I should get a PB day for the fact they scheduled me into my hard off day right?

That reference above is not about that.

If they assigned a trip that they knew violated a golden x day then you should probably grieve that thru ALPA.

23 S. 3) says a reserve pilot will not be assigned a rotation that interrupts a Golden day.

FL370esq 04-12-2021 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by Rooster435 (Post 3220752)
If they assigned a trip that they knew violated a golden x day then you should probably grieve that thru ALPA.

23 S. 3) says a reserve pilot will not be assigned a rotation that interrupts a Golden day.

If they truly flew you into a Golden Day (no YS), make sure you get 5+15 pay (no credit) in addition to your reserve guarantee for what was, in effect, an inverse assignment (see 23.U.3.b.2) as well as a PB day for that Golden Day that was interrupted.

AlphaBeta 04-12-2021 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3220641)
So I just finished a 4 day trip where the last leg was a red-eye that landed at 0645 that ran in to a hard no fly day ( so really a 5 day trip). Correct me if I'm wrong but this should award me a PB day?

I'm reserve - not by choice as I am < 60% in category - we just seem to have this manning problem due to the vaccine or so I'm told....

Not a YS, this trip was assigned by CS.

that is an illegal assignment. Contact alpa. You will not receive a pb day, you will get a pr day ending at 1615 on your next on call day.

Big E 757 04-12-2021 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3220586)
Without getting into the whole "Is a 767 a real widebody" argument.... is this about size or pay?

The widebody argument won’t prevent you from attempting to segue into a LBP shot though....:)

Drum 04-13-2021 03:04 AM


Originally Posted by AlphaBeta (Post 3220787)
that is an illegal assignment. Contact alpa. You will not receive a pb day, you will get a pr day ending at 1615 on your next on call day.

That I will.

Thanks everyone for the inputs.​​​​​​​

JamesBond 04-13-2021 03:55 AM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 3220800)
The widebody argument won’t prevent you from attempting to segue into a LBP shot though....:)

Nah. Not worth it really.

RunFast 04-13-2021 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3220726)
Probably said 'shack' though if they got in a good zinger.

I don’t get it.

FangsF15 04-14-2021 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by RunFast (Post 3221382)
I don’t get it.

It’s an attempted dig at fighter guys. Call signs and supposedly slipping 3-1 tactical comm into everyday conversation.

TED74 04-14-2021 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3221430)
It’s an attempted dig at fighter guys. Call signs and supposedly slipping 3-1 tactical comm into everyday conversation.

Saying “shack” to mean “exactly” or “precisely” isn’t even intentionally slipping tactical comm into everyday conversation - it’s usually just habit from two or three decades of using “shack” to mean those very things...because that’s what the community (and everyone in it) did. And even after retirement, one’s closest friends retain the vernacular of a former career, so its use is naturally perpetuated (as is callsign use). It’s no different than saying “standby” to your wife on the phone, or “roger” to a golfing buddy establishing the bet for the round - it is habit. Who among us isn’t guilty of such gross negligence? As far as callsigns go, these guys and gals went by a particular name for decades and have often adopted it as their identity. Often times, even their closest friends could struggle to recall their actual name(s) or its proper pronunciation. I didn’t used to understand the angst against these two characteristics (use of military jargon and callsign use), but now I see it for what it often is - jealousy. And if it’s not that, it’s just one person trying to put another down to feel better about themself - psychology 101.

Bergman 04-14-2021 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3221441)
Saying “shack” to mean “exactly” or “precisely” isn’t even intentionally slipping tactical comm into everyday conversation - it’s usually just habit from two or three decades of using “shack” to mean those very things...because that’s what the community (and everyone in it) did. And even after retirement, one’s closest friends retain the vernacular of a former career, so its use is naturally perpetuated (as is callsign use). It’s no different than saying “standby” to your wife on the phone, or “roger” to a golfing buddy establishing the bet for the round - it is habit. Who among us isn’t guilty of such gross negligence? As far as callsigns go, these guys and gals went by a particular name for decades and have often adopted it as their identity. Often times, even their closest friends could struggle to recall their actual name(s) or its proper pronunciation. I didn’t used to understand the angst against these two characteristics (use of military jargon and callsign use), but now I see it for what it often is - jealousy. And if it’s not that, it’s just one person trying to put another down to feel better about themself - psychology 101.

Good post. It does remind me of this...

Ah, here we are
Towards the end of our session
It's been a good time
(Sure has)

Hey Trip, when we're done, why don't we go play some golf?
(Sounds good, let's do it)
Alright! Hey, I'm gonna have to cranium on over to the pro shop though, and get me a club cranium cover for my 3-wood
(So to speak)
So to speak, yeah

Unfortunately, I gotta go downtown to do it
(So to speak)
So to speak... Yeah, you know what? I'm tired of this "so to speak" stuff, sayin' "container" and "cranium" all the time, you know I used to go with the flow, 'cause hey, I thought-- you know, hey, bein' a fighter pilot, you know, chicks dig it
(Helps with the ladies)
Well, you would think. But, uhh... it's a whole new age these days
(Yeah)
Now all the ladies want is a guy who wears a suit to work, and carries a briefcase, drives a brand new Beamer, comes home at 5 in the afternoon...
(Damn shame)
It is; it's just not the same
I tell ya... You know what, Trip?
(What's that?)

I wanna say "head"
I wanna say "box"
When I leave a party I don't wanna "pull chocks"
I don't wanna say "no slugs” when I sneak a cheek
When I say "I'm goin' downtown"
I really mean it! I've got some business to take care of downtown
And I don't want anyone sayin' "So to speak"

I wanna work for IBM
And I don't wanna fight in a war
'Cause bein' a fighter pilot won't get you ***** no more

One more time!

I wanna work for IBM
And I don't wanna fight in a war
'Cause bein' a fighter pilot won't get you ***** no more

(Yeah, that was a double negative)
Yeah, well at least I don't have a small penis
(Hey, shut up!)

Dead bug!”

~ DOS GRINGOS “The Last Song on the CD”
(Spotify search it!!)

Viper25 04-14-2021 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3221441)
Saying “shack” to mean “exactly” or “precisely” isn’t even intentionally slipping tactical comm into everyday conversation - it’s usually just habit from two or three decades of using “shack” to mean those very things...because that’s what the community (and everyone in it) did. And even after retirement, one’s closest friends retain the vernacular of a former career, so its use is naturally perpetuated (as is callsign use). It’s no different than saying “standby” to your wife on the phone, or “roger” to a golfing buddy establishing the bet for the round - it is habit. Who among us isn’t guilty of such gross negligence? As far as callsigns go, these guys and gals went by a particular name for decades and have often adopted it as their identity. Often times, even their closest friends could struggle to recall their actual name(s) or its proper pronunciation. I didn’t used to understand the angst against these two characteristics (use of military jargon and callsign use), but now I see it for what it often is - jealousy. And if it’s not that, it’s just one person trying to put another down to feel better about themself - psychology 101.

Great post.

N6279P 04-14-2021 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3221441)
Saying “shack” to mean “exactly” or “precisely” isn’t even intentionally slipping tactical comm into everyday conversation - it’s usually just habit from two or three decades of using “shack” to mean those very things...because that’s what the community (and everyone in it) did. And even after retirement, one’s closest friends retain the vernacular of a former career, so its use is naturally perpetuated (as is callsign use). It’s no different than saying “standby” to your wife on the phone, or “roger” to a golfing buddy establishing the bet for the round - it is habit. Who among us isn’t guilty of such gross negligence? As far as callsigns go, these guys and gals went by a particular name for decades and have often adopted it as their identity. Often times, even their closest friends could struggle to recall their actual name(s) or its proper pronunciation. I didn’t used to understand the angst against these two characteristics (use of military jargon and callsign use), but now I see it for what it often is - jealousy. And if it’s not that, it’s just one person trying to put another down to feel better about themself - psychology 101.

Chugger, is that you??

PilotWombat 04-14-2021 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3221441)
It’s no different than saying “standby” to your wife on the phone.

Guilty.

And "affirmative". I don't say "yes" anymore.

Iceberg 04-14-2021 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by PilotWombat (Post 3221504)
Guilty.

And "affirmative". I don't say "yes" anymore.

I like to scream “Guard” at anyone who says 121.5. Sadly, it’s very rare

RunFast 04-14-2021 06:34 PM

Who else yells “ Squawk, ident!” when trying to find your kids? Or tells them to “cease buzzer” when getting loud and out of control? 😂

tripled 04-14-2021 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by Bergman (Post 3221456)
Good post. It does remind me of this...
......

~ DOS GRINGOS “The Last Song on the CD”
(Spotify search it!!)


the voice of a generation

vyperdriver 04-15-2021 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3221430)
It’s an attempted dig at fighter guys. Call signs and supposedly slipping 3-1 tactical comm into everyday conversation.

Baannnzaiii!!!

DeadStick 04-15-2021 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by Bergman (Post 3221456)
DOS GRINGOS “The Last Song on the CD”
(Spotify search it!!)

Great mention! Those guys make some good beer drinking music.

From I’m a Pilot:

Well I don't even know
Where the oil filter lies
But I'll tell you "Fix it faster, god dammit"
'Cause I'm the one who flies!


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