I'd really like to see 1.5x for any flying credit over 80ish or block over 70ish then 2.5x - 3x for GS. I'm not sure if there would be negative ramifications that I haven't considered.

The green slip numbers suggest they have never ran the operation like this before. You can’t just keep setting record green slips and saying they always did it this way.

So 11,000 pilots, all wh$$res, flying as much as they can? Yea, no downside there....unless you want progression of course:)
If you are number 1 on the seniority list....works just fine, but productivity gives when you are the bottom guy are cumulative and catastrophic.

According to the Green Slip tracker that ALPA posts, 2019 was had a record number of Green Slips when compared to past years ... by A LOT. This will probably be surpassed by 2021.

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On one hand, plenty of pilots who went NQAT or UNA saw their paychecks drop considerably. So..GS good, yes?

On the other hand, having all that time off and still being able to pay the bills on a reduced salary? (not everyone, I know) Maybe life is more than being able to brag about GS.

Based on the rolling thunder and GS grabbing on some fleets/bases, I'd say GS are just as popular as ever. The end of summer numbers will tell the tale.

That’s an easy fix.

if Delta awards it to you via your PBS bid, it pays extra. You pick it up off open time or pilot swap board, it doesn’t.

As for GS, it should pay like an IA...double with no trigger. If I’m picking up over time to help the company out of a jam, there should be no trigger.

As someone that lives in base I wouldn't vote for that in a million years. In fact, I feel the locals should get something NOW for not utilizing this LOA provision. A Jelly of the month club subscription would be alright.

Now that's a gift that keeps on giving all year long!

Nope, I drop my entire line and then pick up what I want. IAs should be the only option, double time regardless of your credit. Paying you a premium to come in on an off day.

Greenslips are a good thing for pilots. Funny reading posts on here complaining about greenslips, or saying too many are going out. If you don't want to fly them, then don't..

You sound like a junior guy in his category jealous of senior pilots picking up whiteslips?

I like the thought, but if there is no trigger, e'rrybody drops their schedule and the senior guys fly it all at double pay. I'm bidding back to the Baby bus if that's the case.

Ya, it's not that simple. GS aren't bad in and of themselves, it's what comes along with GSs going out like they do now. Namely, lack of staffing and the ability to drop trips/manipulate your schedule and/or the lovely reroute to the cush trip your seniority allowed you to bid. I'd much rather have blue days every day of the year than have lots of GSs. GS are meant to be the occasional thing that happens to fill last minute schedule changes/sick call, not something the company just relies on to keep the operation going. So sure, you can say don't fly GS if you don't want, but it's missing the bigger issue.

Nope...< 30% in category.

I was attempting to provide a solution to the problem Buck proposed...a middle ground if you will.

Delta awards you trips over XX hours (insert your favorite number here), it pays double...like overtime in the 40 hour work week world.

You elect to flog yourself and pickup to the FAA limits from OT or swap board, then you get straight pay...you did it to yourself.

Folks will still drop trips and pick up others (at straight pay) to get a certain weekend off, kids birthday party etc....those QOL events.

Then when DL can't fill the open trips because of the poor manning, they will send out greenies, and IMO, they should pay 200% with no trigger because we are helping solve their problem. GS rules won't change...senior guys still get one...locals will still be able to pick up the short notice 1 day turns, etc.

Discussions on Greenslips are like discussions on masks/vaccines. Brings out the emotions of many.

IMO, the current system is great and was enhanced even more when the LOA dropped the trigger to max of 72 for line holders.

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Once again, unintended consequences are a b****. Senior pilots with just drop their trips and pick up GS with no trigger. Lowering the trigger in LOA 20-04 was a win, but lowering it to 0 is just a bad idea for 90% of us. No thanks.

You obviously haven’t been a NB B for a very long time. No dropping trips and then flying premium. No dropping trips at all except for APD and IVD. Thank god for those.

There should be no trigger. None. Zero. You want me to fly on a day off, pay me. If you want or need it that bad, pay up. Simple as that. If you want to drop your schedule and roll the dice you’ll get GSs in their place, good on you.

What we need now is to lower the time for deposit time in the bank. I’m not WS above 80hrs to put time in the bank. I want to work less and be able to get a GS. We should be able to deposit in the bank anything above the the Gs trigger.

This right here!

I like it....The only thing that could happen is Delta may actually increase staffing and mostly do away with greenslips if no trigger exists. Something like a 50 hour trigger could be a better option. Most pilots are above the trigger anyway during a normal month..Also as mentioned above, Delta will just keep staffing levels where trip drops would be almost impossible. The super senior guys would really make a killing if no gs trigger exists. They would just get the best trips in the bid packet and drop via the swapboard when staffing is marginal to gs. I'm good with that, but most pilots will complain.

Not to mention that it would be a extremity expensive item to negotiate if you could get the company to even consider it. Our contract already favors seniority more than some others. No GS trigger would take that into absurdity.

Having a trigger has nothing to do with dropping trips. If anything, not having a trigger would make it worse as the Uber senior pilots drop their prime weekday trips via the swap board or first PCS run.
Also, If you can’t drop trips due to coverage then you are most likely already at the trigger.

Agreed. Which is why this whole discussion is academic. And totally moo :p

Though I do like the idea of lowering the bank threshold, that is in the same category.

Does anyone know the rationale for premium pay not refilling the bank?

Not exactly sure what you are asking here. Only credit (above 80 hrs I believe) can be deposited to the bank. I think that is limited to 20 hours/month. Since greenslips are pay/no credit, it’s impossible to put GS time into bank. As to why greenslips are pay/no credit.......I have no idea.

Denny

I think Denny hit the nail on the head probably. For the same reason they don't want GS counting toward reserve buckets, they also don't want it to count toward bank repayment. It's all about incentives, and toward what...

If GSs were pay and credit, might that limit you similar to WS pickup limits. Then pilots couldn’t wear themselves out totally!

Plus, from the company's perspective, GS pay is pay you didn't "work" for. You actually have to work straight pay over 80 hours to be able to refill the bank, so they get much more usage out of you than if you were able to repay with "bonus" pay hours.

The bank is modestly useful (I've been minus in the bank for 15 years!) but it really stems from the pre-PBS days of line of time bidding. Back then we had a "cap" vs the ALV, and you were NOT paid for any time over the cap. So if the cap were 75 hours, and you flew 78, you were only paid 75 and that extra three hours was carried forward to the next month as "bow wave." There were lots of iterations and tricks you could do with the bow wave, and I won't go there as that was 15 years ago. However, pilots always had the option of depositing the bow wave into the bank, vs letting it carry to the next month.

So...cap usually lower than today's ALVs, and anything over the cap was bow wave/bank deposit, and it was a much more frequently used tool.

Okay Doris.....now tell us about "Spill back" in 15 seconds or less before you move on to your next topic. 🤣 (Her Indoc brief was 50 minutes of the proverbial "throwing cooked spaghetti at the wall hoping something sticks." Lots of 30 foot stares in a 20ft room after that experience).

That would be great! Full staffing would greatly impact the QOL of a larger portion of the pilot group than GS's do. GS would still be at thing because there will always be a new to fill last minute trips...they would just be fewer, which isn't a terrible thing.



Because the company wants you to work more at straight pay.

100% agree with your comment here.

To add, GS should be the exception. Not the means to execute the daily schedule. They should be the shock absorber for when demand surges perhaps due to recovery from IROP or something like that. Same for IAs.

Blue days for all fleets.

I'd like to get double pay over holidays.

A quick change-o there on your text :)

Couldn't agree more with you here.

You can't drop trips, no matter what seniority you hold, when you don't have the coverage. Period. About the only time you can have success in our multiple undermanned fleets is on the 20th. That's about the only time you see blue. After that, no bueno.

Completely wrong. I have never had a issue regardless of manning dropping trips when senior. You bid good trips and place them in open time as Q trips and on the swap board. They go away fast. They get picked up by pilots with vacation credit, pilots bought off trips ect, pilots wanting more pay ect... Good trips don’t hang around. Guys find ways to pick them up.

You should come back to the NB fleets sailing. No, sir, you are completely wrong.

There is still a not insignificant number of pilots still NQAT from last year’s managerial nonsense. Even so, their return to the line may not slow the record GS pace as much as spread it around a little more.

He’s not wrong. Some fleets have it more than others but every fleet has it to some extent. Look at trip coverage for your own category. I counted about a dozen Swap board pickups after schedules were released last month. Seems to be a really big thing in Atl.

When I was on the ER I used it all the time to pickup trips to destinations I could never hold via PBS. Some guys would dump their whole schedule on there and it would be gone in hours. Obviously only works for senior pilots that can get good trips.

No. He's not.

I'm on a NB and routinely get things taken off my schedule that was a Q or swap board trip. And if you play your cards right, you can drop multiple trips with a critical coverage pickup.