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Milk Man 06-05-2021 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Falcon20 (Post 3246000)
Well a bunch of C rotations were awarded in the ATL today on the 73NB.

I’m sure glad we got ahead of the training curve!!!

thats GS with conflict?

Falcon20 06-05-2021 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by Milk Man (Post 3246041)
thats GS with conflict?

correct.

filler

vyperdriver 06-05-2021 03:53 PM

Just assigned another 2 day trip after the 5 day. Yes...7 days in a row, legal by minutes only....great summer ahead!

Trip7 06-05-2021 04:26 PM

Hilarious how the company made an impressive run thru Memorial Day weekend with little issues and the very next weekend bloodbath. Raining Greenslips with Conflict today on the 73

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JamesBond 06-07-2021 06:53 AM

I hate you guys. NQAT.... still.

theUpsideDown 06-07-2021 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3246586)
I hate you guys. NQAT.... still.

Hate the game

DELTAFO 06-07-2021 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3246586)
I hate you guys. NQAT.... still.

Aren't you a 350A?

Scoop 06-07-2021 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by vyperdriver (Post 3246057)
Just assigned another 2 day trip after the 5 day. Yes...7 days in a row, legal by minutes only....great summer ahead!


Yep - this happens especially with a later sign in. IMHO it can be more fatiguing than pre 117. Basically any time you report you look back 168 hours for a 30 hour break. The two confusing points are the 30 hour break can be prior to any duty on day 1 and also that the look back occurs at report not at your scheduled finish.

It seems in some ways we were “Blinded with science” regarding FAR 117. 😜

Scoop

NuGuy 06-07-2021 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 3246609)
Yep - this happens especially with a later sign in. IMHO it can be more fatiguing than pre 117. Basically any time you report you look back 168 hours for a 30 hour break. The two confusing points are the 30 hour break can be prior to any duty on day 1 and also that the look back occurs at report not at your scheduled finish.

It seems in some ways we were “Blinded with science” regarding FAR 117. 😜

Scoop

The worst part of 117 was getting rid of 30/7....

Trip7 06-07-2021 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by vyperdriver (Post 3246057)
Just assigned another 2 day trip after the 5 day. Yes...7 days in a row, legal by minutes only....great summer ahead!

This is absolutely horrendous for reserves with a long string of on call days, but so so GLORIOUS for lineholders on back to back Greenies or reserves that are Rolling Thunder.

I once had 9 days of Green in a row including long layovers in LAS and PDX(30 hrs Pre COVID). It was absolutely wonderful.

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JamesBond 06-07-2021 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by DELTAFO (Post 3246596)
Aren't you a 350A?

Yes... well converted anyway

JamesBond 06-07-2021 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 3246589)
Hate the game

LOL Fair enough....

DELTAFO 06-07-2021 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3246711)
Yes... well converted anyway

$25,477.20 per month and you get to be home every day with no company obligation.

I will gladly trade you schedules. You can have the 9 green slips I've flown since the beginning of April.

JamesBond 06-07-2021 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by DELTAFO (Post 3246730)
$25,477.20 per month and you get to be home every day with no company obligation.

I will gladly trade you schedules. You can have the 9 green slips I've flown since the beginning of April.

What airplane are you on? And the last I checked, Greenslips are voluntary.

GucciBoy 06-07-2021 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3246754)
What airplane are you on? And the last I checked, Greenslips are voluntary.


I think he was saying he’d take your salary+no obligation and you can have his+his 9 green slips in response to your initial complaint that you’re missing out on the green slips because you’re NQAT.

hockeypilot44 06-07-2021 02:04 PM

Qol gouge. Drop down to 72-75 hours. Pick up 1 2-day GS. 93-96 hours for 14-15 days total work. Throw in 4 weeks vacation and 4 sick calls (when you're sick), you're only working 10-11 days per month for 8 months of the year. You'll average 95 hours per month and still enjoy qol.

OOfff 06-07-2021 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3246766)
Qol gouge. Drop down to 72-75 hours. Pick up 1 2-day GS. 93-96 hours for 14-15 days total work. Throw in 4 weeks vacation and 4 sick calls (when you're sick), you're only working 10-11 days per month for 8 months of the year. You'll average 95 hours per month and still enjoy qol.

just drop down, you dummies!

tripled 06-07-2021 03:15 PM

We’ll be senior someday

hvydvr 06-07-2021 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3246780)
just drop down, you dummies!

Yeah. Those 4 and 5 days over the weekend you got douched with on an 80 hr ALV will go right away in the swap board.

OOfff 06-07-2021 03:52 PM

Pick up a green slip, because they’re always available!

Drum 06-07-2021 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3246796)
Pick up a green slip, because they’re always available!

Yeah, who needs to properly staff the airline......

OOfff 06-07-2021 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3246816)
Yeah, who needs to properly staff the airline......

I was being sarcastic. GSs are not regularly available to all bases/equipment

jaxsurf 06-07-2021 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3246766)
Qol gouge. Drop down to 72-75 hours. Pick up 1 2-day GS. 93-96 hours for 14-15 days total work. Throw in 4 weeks vacation and 4 sick calls (when you're sick), you're only working 10-11 days per month for 8 months of the year. You'll average 95 hours per month and still enjoy qol.


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3246780)
just drop down, you dummies!

Why didn't I think of that!!! Damn I'm dumb!

Scoop 06-08-2021 04:02 AM


Originally Posted by DELTAFO (Post 3246730)
$25,477.20 per month and you get to be home every day with no company obligation.

I will gladly trade you schedules. You can have the 9 green slips I've flown since the beginning of April.


I am pretty sure he did not get hired into this position.

Scoop

DELTAFO 06-08-2021 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 3246956)
I am pretty sure he did not get hired into this position.

Scoop

I was attempting to imply that getting lots of money to stay at home isn't the worst thing in the world

Scoop 06-08-2021 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by DELTAFO (Post 3246957)
I was attempting to imply that getting lots of money to stay at home isn't the worst thing in the world

Agree. 😀

Scoop

DeltaboundRedux 06-08-2021 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3246824)
I was being sarcastic. GSs are not regularly available to all bases/equipment

OOfff's right. (Ugh).

The true story won't be written until the end of the year and a comparison is made between 2021 and previous years.

As long as IA's aren't a thing, it's hard to get upset about it one way or the other. Being unable to drop anything as a lineholder is probably more relevant.

OOfff 06-08-2021 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3247030)
OOfff's right. (Ugh).

The true story won't be written until the end of the year and a comparison is made between 2021 and previous years.

As long as IA's aren't a thing, it's hard to get upset about it one way or the other. Being unable to drop anything as a lineholder is probably more relevant.

IAs are voluntary, too

DeltaboundRedux 06-08-2021 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3247031)
IAs are voluntary, too

Refresh my memory, no sarcasm.

I don't believe ARCOS is currently set up for IA's. As a practical matter, if you don't answer your phone, it's difficult to get an IA.

Can you be assigned an IA mid rotation via ACARS, for example?

Not really necessary because the GS, and more specifically, GSWC is such a sweet deal there's apparently no limit to the amount of pilots who will pick them up. Fine by me.

Drum 06-08-2021 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3246824)
I was being sarcastic. GSs are not regularly available to all bases/equipment

i was supporting your sarcasm. Lighten up.

SparkySmith 06-08-2021 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3247032)
Refresh my memory, no sarcasm.

I don't believe ARCOS is currently set up for IA's. As a practical matter, if you don't answer your phone, it's difficult to get an IA.

Can you be assigned an IA mid rotation via ACARS, for example?

Not really necessary because the GS, and more specifically, GSWC is such a sweet deal there's apparently no limit to the amount of pilots who will pick them up. Fine by me.


Doesn’t even matter if you answer your phone on an IA call; it’s just a recording saying that rotation 1234 is available and to call skeds if you want it. So “inverse assignment” is a complete misnomer.


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DELTAFO 06-08-2021 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3247031)
IAs are voluntary, too

Not always.

You could be met at the jetway by a chief pilot telling you that you have been IA into a trip starting tomorrow that was supposed to be a day off. Or, you could be rerouted by crew tracking via ACARS to fly into a day off. Or, assigned a trip on reserve that flies on your off days during the transition from a month of reserve to a month of line (I know that technically isn't an IA but it's still working on days you thought you had off).

GogglesPisano 06-08-2021 11:26 AM

When was the last time someone was met in the jetway by a CP with an IA?

Now an ACARS's notification for an IA the next day? I could see that happening if we start to cancel flights.

The problem for the Company is that there is always a way out for us.

BlueSkies 06-08-2021 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by DELTAFO (Post 3247085)
Not always.

You could be met at the jetway by a chief pilot telling you that you have been IA into a trip starting tomorrow that was supposed to be a day off. Or, you could be rerouted by crew tracking via ACARS to fly into a day off. Or, assigned a trip on reserve that flies on your off days during the transition from a month of reserve to a month of line (I know that technically isn't an IA but it's still working on days you thought you had off).

Does anyone know how common these methods are? I'm not saying they don't happen, just wondering if anyone has had this happen to them?

Drum 06-08-2021 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by BlueSkies (Post 3247336)
Does anyone know how common these methods are? I'm not saying they don't happen, just wondering if anyone has had this happen to them?

Search my post history.

People throw spears at me for documenting this, but I do it for a reason.

I've only listed a fraction of the re-routes and late tags I've gotten/

Just look at my sig in my avatar. that ain't no joke brother.

FL370esq 06-08-2021 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Drum (Post 3247341)
Search my post history.

People throw spears at me for documenting this, but I do it for a reason.

I've only listed a fraction of the re-routes and late tags I've gotten/

Just look at my sig in my avatar. that ain't no joke brother.

I'm still a new guy at 20+ years....what is a late tag? Never heard that term before.

sailingfun 06-09-2021 02:47 AM


Originally Posted by BlueSkies (Post 3247336)
Does anyone know how common these methods are? I'm not saying they don't happen, just wondering if anyone has had this happen to them?

They become common if the company can’t cover the trips. I worked XMas once via a jetway assignment. There was once a time when pilots changed out of uniform and gave their flight kits to another pilot to sneak off the aircraft it was so bad.

notEnuf 06-09-2021 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3247456)
They become common if the company can’t cover the trips. I worked XMas once via a jetway assignment. There was once a time when pilots changed out of uniform and gave their flight kits to another pilot to sneak off the aircraft it was so bad.

I've heard the famous legend of the great escape via catering truck a few times. It may be embellished or have no truth at all but it's lore at this point. Of course this would never work today because catering shows up at D15.

Funk 06-09-2021 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3247493)
I've heard the famous legend of the great escape via catering truck a few times. It may be embellished or have no truth at all but it's lore at this point. Of course this would never work today because catering shows up at D15.

You mean they "fixed the glitch?"

tennisguru 06-09-2021 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3247493)
I've heard the famous legend of the great escape via catering truck a few times. It may be embellished or have no truth at all but it's lore at this point. Of course this would never work today because catering shows up at D15.

Now we know why they were so aggressive in getting rid of the 88's...now no fleet has the tailcone escape option...


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