Makes no sense to me either.

Especially since the brunt is bore(?) by people with no say in the matter of what "liberal propaganda" Ed says, non-management peeps at the OCC, gates, reservations, etc.

bear/bore/has borne

so “borne” ;)

Once again, the pilots are the cause of the cancellations by calling in sick. Give me a break!

18 GSs in NYC 320B with 12 trips in open time tomorrow. Clearly we are the problem.

The number of GS/IA calls I have received today have been astronomical. Sadly the trips are terrible so I'll enjoy my time off at home.
They should probably rethink their staffing numbers they have been using the last few years. Seems like every Holiday/ leap year / unforecasted summer thunderstorms/ ect and the operation goes into a meltdown. Ungumming the system would be my first priority in the quest to return us to a reliable air line

From the last holiday meltdown, I noticed the flight aware cancellations don’t show up until mid day of the actual day. So it shows D at 75 QX today; tomorrow’s numbers won’t show until noon at least.

Also no idea how accurate those numbers are. It’s a 3rd party site, after all.

Illegal reroutes are back in full force. I guess the new ALPA reps helping scheduling out are saying just cover trips anyway you can.

Yep, I got called for lots of GS grips...but they are such crap trips these days that in the end just couldn’t pull the trigger!

ALPA offered to put Reps in scheduling to assist...Crew Scheds told ALPA to pound sand.

When do contract negotiations resume?

Hopefully not for a while.

Good question.

I'd love to see some contractual protections prohibiting formal and trackable DIE/CRT training.

But I'm a Martin Luther King man myself. Woefully behind the times.


(If you haven't read/listened to the Taylor Branch MLK trilogy and work for a southern company; well, you really should. Like Ghandi and Fredrick Douglas, the man had his faults, but Jeebus...what an orator. But MLK is sooooo passé. You can get fired for adhering to the MLK line now.)

the position hasn’t started yet

What reroutes are happening that are "illegal?" Don't just throw out a conclusion. Give examples so your fellow pilots can learn and say no to prevent them.

Maybe if we did less optimizing of trips more would be picked up in open time or as GS. I look thorough open time and put specific trips as a GS. I won’t Jen look at 90% of them.

Let’s wait and see. I think an element of dal strategy was to freeze as many pilots into a seat lock as possible, thereby minimizing future churn and training cost. An embarrassing Easter weekend could simply be the ‘datapoint’ to prove its time to move on to the next step of the plan.

Perhaps they could issue training bypasses on this next bid for NBa -> WBa and also for mid seniority FO’s who bid WB b or NB a? I didn’t think they would do that but who knows, maybe it’s acceptable to pay some FO’s taxpayer-funded captain pay to stay put for a while.

And to stay with the context above this post: open time trips these days stink but IA’s don’t care. IA be like the honey badger.

Lots of truth right here. Phone rang all weekend with early show 3 leg day, short layover, 3 leg day or 8+ hour block day GS’s. Not commuting in a day early over a holiday weekend to get beat up.

Same boat here. Tons of green slip opportunities this weekend. But a DH + 4 legs a day on days 1/3 don’t work for me for any amount of $$$$.

It’s ok. Read the comments in this article. We are so woke that soon we won’t need all these pilots. https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/delta-cancels-over-100-flights-as-pandemic-travel-soars

How much longer does the board retain its confidence in our CEO?

From their bios they are all pretty woke too...so indefinitely


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He’ll be praised as the steady handed hero who weathered the storm and guided us through the worst economic crisis the industry has ever seen.

Our cancellation record is improving, only 80ish this time and accommodations were made to get people moving, which will prove the necessity and viability of the center seat. It would only be 25 days early and they always said there will be starts and stops and we would adjust accordingly.

Reminds me of a woman I know who gleefully got her ex husband fired from his job. Then her alimony checks stopped!

Ask your scheduling reps if any illegal reroutes happened last weekend. When I get mine resolved I'll post the details.

The board is only worried about the big picture. What's the balance sheet looking like and what's Delta cash burn. After the crisis Delta went thru regaining positive cash flow was the new goal and everything else is icing on the cake.

My other guess is a big part of these operational issues is Delta being unwilling to staff a month of pilots for just a one weekend spike of leisure travelers. I have a feeling these cancellations come to an abrupt end when Business Travel return. Good news is that means more AEs to come this year

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If you guys can't see the complete disaster the leadership has been over the past year, along with the number of times their direct, i would almost call out virtual assault on the pilot group has been, your living with your head in the sand.

We all see it. We have just come to expect the blame and assault. Nobody gets outraged at what they expect to happen. As for the leadership, 0 cash burn surprise announcement 4/15, with a return to profitability. They will be heroes.

But they had to know that the world would be agressive in getting things running again for our collective global sakes. That a vaccine needed be developed in record time, a year. With this timeline, it would have been a well educated guess to first offer early outs, keep people on the payroll since the government was paying for it anyway, and keep pilots current. I think it was more than luck for UAL. Simply put, they were, and correctly, betting on a speedy recovery, because in their minds there was no other way.

Certainly they have screwed manning up. However from a standpoint of how the airline is viewed publically most travel sources have been very positive and from the perspective of managing actual finances the airline is very well positioned. The cancelations yesterday were in fact mostly driven by a very liberal employee covid vaccination policy. Admittedly they should have anticipated the result.
If you hired a employee and your pay, work rule and benefit package was at the very top of the industry and he stood out on a corner and shouted that the company sucked with a bull horn how would you deal with that? You praise in public and condemn in private was a basic rule I was taught. I will bet you money I have pushed Delta through available private sources far more than 95% of the pilots on the list over negative issues. It’s easy to be a keyboard cowboy and shout on a public forum anonymously, it’s harder to write up issues and attach your name to them. The later does get attention I can assure you from personal experience.

UAL deal because folks got to keep their seats with reduced salaries vs getting displaced to lower paying jobs and then taking an hours cut. It was math. It passes because of the numbers, not because they were thinking outside the box..
Kinda like Bucking Bar spouting he’s the definition of unionism, yet in other lists saying how much of a pay cut he will take if he losses his Capt position. Faux angst.

If you guys can't see the complete disaster the leadership has been over the past year, along with the number of times their direct, I would almost call out virtual assault on the pilot group has been, your living with your head in the sand. None of us want our airline to fail, but our leadership in so many ways has been overtly hostile, demeaning and dismissive of the pilot group for years. Having the "smartest" airline management eat crow, is somewhat satisfying. Now if they could swallow their collective pride, be a bit more humble in their approach to us, and stop the woke culture and start running an airline, we would all be the better for it.

We collect a premium. Supply scarcity drives that premium. They know exactly what they are doing, and where they fail... pilots and Covid are a convenient excuse. That will get us at least through the summer with sufficient cover until profitability returns in Q3. And then all is forgiven and forgotten.

it’s not an easy landscape to navigate... and hard to avoid.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/05/b...e=articleShare

I’m old enough to remember when the UAL deal came out and some of our pilots lost their collective minds at the mere prospect of anything like that happening here. Then the air of sheer superiority when our deal came out and was viewed as transparently better. But I still think it’s too early in the game to actually know who did it better.

What has happened to Delta we used to be a GREAT airline!!!!!!

So basically...mob rule is what we're down to.

It wasn't enough to fly the BLM flag at the GO, it wasn't enough paying for tens of thousands of BLM pins, it wasn't enough to remove "ladies and gentlemen" from all our announcements and any reference to he/she/him/her.

At what point is enough...enough? Never. That's the answer.

True....but this caught my eye from your link...

"At first, Delta, Georgia’s largest employer, tried to stay out of the fight on voting rights. But after the Georgia law was passed, a group of powerful Black executives publicly called on big companies to oppose the voting legislation. Hours later, Delta and Coca-Cola abruptly reversed course and disavowed the Georgia law."


So, how can you stay out of it and then reverse course?

Change is difficult but I'm confident you will get through it. By mob rule, do you mean this mob?


https://images.wsj.net/im-281819?width=620&size=1.5

yeah, we flew a flag! those gosh darned minorities should be happy already!

I don't think the 3-tiered pay system was a good idea, nor do I think that would have passed here. What was good on United's part was how they kept most people in their original seat and everyone stayed qualified. Delta messed up from the start by trying to shove 2500 pilots halfway out the door with the UNA status. I'm sure we could have come up with a plan where you run a relatively small displacement bid for the 88 and 777 pilots, but other than that everyone keeps their spot waiting for the recovery. Look how laughable all their "forecasted pilot staffing" numbers looking 6, 12, and even 24 months out were. Once the government cheese starting covering our payroll we should have tried to keep everyone current and qualified to be in position for a recovery. United and American did basically that, and we did not and now we are paying the price. United is resuming hiring next month while even if we wanted to hire we don't have the training capacity to do so until this fall at the earliest.