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Big E 757 05-31-2021 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by weekendflyer (Post 3243772)
Endeavor LOA is out and requires Joe DePete signature. By signing this LOA, DePete is going against 13,000 plus Delta pilots...if he signs it, I’m requesting a DPA card.

So if Joe DePete signs this LOA without the concurrence of one of his biggest Pilot groups, on an agreement that will be undermining the bargaining power of DALPA, it’s going to affect ALPA national. I see what you’re saying. I haven’t been following this too closely, lately.

Is he expected to sign it? Has our MEC talked to him?

Der Meister 05-31-2021 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by weekendflyer (Post 3243772)
Endeavor LOA is out and requires Joe DePete signature. By signing this LOA, DePete is going against 13,000 plus Delta pilots...if he signs it, I’m requesting a DPA card.

lol so.. DPA can offer the same benefits alpa offers fir the sane price? If so I'm down but I haven't seen anything that says they can so there's no reason to throw sand in the sandwich that is alpa.

bugman61 06-01-2021 02:13 AM


Originally Posted by weekendflyer (Post 3243772)
Endeavor LOA is out and requires Joe DePete signature. By signing this LOA, DePete is going against 13,000 plus Delta pilots...if he signs it, I’m requesting a DPA card.


There’s literally no way that DePete can withhold his approval of valid agreement. And while we may not like the loa, it’s a valid agreement.

So, good luck with that dpa drive. Eighth time is the charm?

sailingfun 06-01-2021 03:07 AM


Originally Posted by weekendflyer (Post 3243772)
Endeavor LOA is out and requires Joe DePete signature. By signing this LOA, DePete is going against 13,000 plus Delta pilots...if he signs it, I’m requesting a DPA card.

He will be signing a agreement allowing 9E pilots to flow to Delta. It has absolutely nothing to do with DALPA. Our scope is between DALPA and the company. We are handling it correctly by filing a grievance.

notEnuf 06-01-2021 04:27 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3243854)
He will be signing a agreement allowing 9E pilots to flow to Delta. It has absolutely nothing to do with DALPA. Our scope is between DALPA and the company. We are handling it correctly by filing a grievance.

And he's an ex freight guy, so there's that. No idea how passenger SCOPE has deteriorated over the years.

JamesBond 06-01-2021 06:30 AM

1 - 330 or bigger for every 3 RJs. Go get it DALPA. IF the company has made an agreement with everybody but us, and it affects our scope, that gives us leverage.

sailingfun 06-01-2021 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3243928)
1 - 330 or bigger for every 3 RJs. Go get it DALPA. IF the company has made an agreement with everybody but us, and it affects our scope, that gives us leverage.

We have a bunch of 330’s and 350’s coming. Sounds like a great deal for the company. Not so sure about the pilots.

Coffeepilot1 06-01-2021 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3243875)
And he's an ex freight guy, so there's that. No idea how passenger SCOPE has deteriorated over the years.

FedEx has way better scope than any passenger carrier. What does freight have to do with this again?

Stinsat7 06-01-2021 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3243854)
He will be signing a agreement allowing 9E pilots to flow to Delta. It has absolutely nothing to do with DALPA. Our scope is between DALPA and the company. We are handling it correctly by filing a grievance.

Nope. The TA contains flow down language as well. Flow up only wouldn’t allow the company to invoke 1.B.47.f exception two language to bring back the 35 RJs. Only flow down language gives them the narrow chance of getting those jets. The only way flown down exists is by being part of our PWA. LOA 9 section 15 explicitly states the flow agreement “runs concurrent with the Delta PWA including any status quo period under the Railway Labor Act”

sailingfun 06-01-2021 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by Coffeepilot1 (Post 3243957)
FedEx has way better scope than any passenger carrier. What does freight have to do with this again?

FedEx sure outsources a bunch of flying during peak.
Edit: It appears they are outsourcing non peak also.

Why is it the wet lease folks get the good cities?? WESTERN GLOBAL FLYING HNL/SJU/PHX/?? Why aren’t these folks flying YMX, TLC, QRO?? Things of that nature ... not sure why they are allowed to take the better flying that we ourselves could be doing... anyone have an answer to why this is ? Can the union folks step in?

Here is a list of FedEx contract carriers mostly operating ATR’s but up to 757’s.


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