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Gone Flying 05-03-2021 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3230129)
Thats what I was attempting to say, just did it poorly. I don’t give them any pass now, but at the very beiginning I could understand some leeway. Then decisions were made in the name of optics and attempting to get concessions and that good will went elsewhere. Now we get beat up while watching what I would assume will be a long drawn out negotiation with management claiming hardship due to staffing and other self inflicted wounds.

Good times.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. The reason we have thousands of pilots getting ALV to sit at home while they can’t complete flights was a completely self inflicted wound, but somehow it will get spun as all the greedy pilots fault🙄🙄

172skychicken 05-03-2021 05:00 PM

The more I think about this, the more I think this is a threat directed at ALPA more than anything else. The company must feel that they can implement the flow without having to negotiate with ALPA. "Negotiate with us or we'll implement a new flow program and get the 35 jets back anyway." I just find it hard to believe they've made a huge philosophical change when it comes to these programs. The obvious choice, Endeavor, has a few hundred pilots who have already interviewed and been turned down by Delta. Not to mention, that the other pilot group would have to agree to accept the flow down provision. Precovid, I would say that would be a slam dunk. Now, I'm not so sure.

JacksonThunder 05-03-2021 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by Me Air Da (Post 3230132)
But why not? You earned your job at Dal. Don’t you want to see the next generation just handed the job you worked so hard for just by flying without even having to build their resumes, volunteering and networking?

9E do the same job as DL pilots. The CRJ is harder to fly than the Airbus. Fact.

CBreezy 05-03-2021 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by Me Air Da (Post 3230132)
But why not? You earned your job at Dal. Don’t you want to see the next generation just handed the job you worked so hard for just by flying without even having to build their resumes, volunteering and networking?

Wasn't there a hiring agreement with ASA back in the day as well?

JacksonThunder 05-03-2021 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by Me Air Da (Post 3230132)
But why not? You earned your job at Dal. Don’t you want to see the next generation just handed the job you worked so hard for just by flying without even having to build their resumes, volunteering and networking?

And what does volunteering at Ronald McDonald’s foundation have to do with being a competent pilot? I’d rather see an education requirement versus a volunteer at a dog shelter requirement.

Bergman 05-03-2021 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by JacksonThunder (Post 3230143)
The CRJ is harder to fly than the Airbus. Fact.

That isn’t saying much.

Aviator147 05-03-2021 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by JacksonThunder (Post 3230147)
And what does volunteering at Ronald McDonald’s foundation have to do with being a competent pilot? I’d rather see an education requirement versus a volunteer at a dog shelter requirement.

there is, you need a 4 year degree....

JacksonThunder 05-03-2021 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by Aviator147 (Post 3230151)
there is, you need a 4 year degree....

Well, not with the flow program (rumor).

Me Air Da 05-03-2021 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by JacksonThunder (Post 3230143)
9E do the same job as DL pilots. The CRJ is harder to fly than the Airbus. Fact.

This smells like...... “Entitlement”

970pilot 05-03-2021 05:25 PM

The interpretations will be interesting to see if Delta could successfully execute a Compass-like agreement that is PWA compliant without DAL ALPAs concurrence. Hopefully ALPA fights back to keep the 35 RJs from flying since IMO a flow down doesn’t provide any value for junior Delta pilots job security. If we have another similar industry downturn in the future, 20 pilots per month flowing down to a regional would have taken over 10 years to cover the 2500 original WARN notices. Nearly all of furloughed pilots would have had to find some other way to put food on the table in the meantime.


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