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05-12-2021, 08:43 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
You’re right. $15 an hour for unskilled labor is asking too much. Want to do something more than flip burgers or cook fries? Go learn a skill.
Im always amazed at the emotional response to this supposed “need”, while completely ignoring the effect this will have on killing jobs. Fact.
Im always amazed at the emotional response to this supposed “need”, while completely ignoring the effect this will have on killing jobs. Fact.
05-12-2021, 08:47 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by Hedley
Entry level jobs were never meant to provide for a family. They are for people to enter the workforce and gain experience before moving on. If you want a living wage, learn a skill that commands one. If you don’t want to learn a skill, flip burgers 80 hours per week.
05-12-2021, 08:55 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
Then we should be promoting opportunities for people to learn a skill. Right now it is very difficult (and getting harder) for most low income Americans to break the cycle of poverty and acquire the skills needed to have any sort of earning power. Especially without accumulating crushing debt.
05-12-2021, 09:00 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
Just some quick math (excluding taxes and insurance cost of course, for ease of calculatio): if I run a burger stand and my burger flipper makes 30 burgers and fries per hour for $10/hour that means my labor cost per order of burger and fries is 33 cents. Now, if I have to pay them $15/hour my labor cost is now 50 cents per order. So I have to raise my prices 17 cents per order to maintain status quo (likely 19 or 20 cents when you factor in taxes). Seventeen to twenty cents. You gonna stop buying burgers if they cost 20 cents more?
Any expense I incur I will pass on to the customer. I can't operate for long at breakeven or below. My rates are not set they are adjusted - continually as my variable costs. Typically I never reduce price. Only when I get some fixed cost breaks, but those are fleeting. I'm not in the charity game, I am running a business for profit. There's also nothing stopping me from having one burger flipper flipping 190 burgs/hour and pay them 15/hr. I can always raise it to 20/hr if I need to keep them around. Rather do that than pay for 3+ working at 15. In the end a UBI hurts everyone. Unsustainable in an actual marketplace and economy.
05-12-2021, 09:04 AM
#25
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Originally Posted by Drum
You left out a lot. Your primitive almost toddler level example is an "all things being equal except labor cost" type example. Which is never the case IRW. That is why, over history, UBI fails.
Any expense I incur I will pass on to the customer. I can't operate for long at breakeven or below. My rates are not set they are adjusted - continually as my variable costs. Typically I never reduce price. Only when I get some fixed cost breaks, but those are fleeting. I'm not in the charity game, I am running a business for profit. There's also nothing stopping me from having one burger flipper flipping 190 burgs/hour and pay them 15/hr. I can always raise it to 20/hr if I need to keep them around. Rather do that than pay for 3+ working at 15. In the end a UBI hurts everyone. Unsustainable in an actual marketplace and economy.
Any expense I incur I will pass on to the customer. I can't operate for long at breakeven or below. My rates are not set they are adjusted - continually as my variable costs. Typically I never reduce price. Only when I get some fixed cost breaks, but those are fleeting. I'm not in the charity game, I am running a business for profit. There's also nothing stopping me from having one burger flipper flipping 190 burgs/hour and pay them 15/hr. I can always raise it to 20/hr if I need to keep them around. Rather do that than pay for 3+ working at 15. In the end a UBI hurts everyone. Unsustainable in an actual marketplace and economy.
05-12-2021, 09:08 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
Then we should be promoting opportunities for people to learn a skill. Right now it is very difficult (and getting harder) for most low income Americans to break the cycle of poverty and acquire the skills needed to have any sort of earning power. Especially without accumulating crushing debt.
Comprehensive Employment Training Act
Job Training and Partnership Act 1982
Workforce Investment Act 1998
https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/tr.../adulttraining
All 50 states have job training programs funded by taxpayers for disadvantaged persons
There are a plethora of opportunities for the so called "disadvantaged" to get training and better themselves at taxpayers expense - to include placement programs. The question you need to ask is why are these not fully taken advantage of? Could there be something else perhaps in the equation? Say motivation? Or perhaps dedication? Or perhaps self-control? IDK. Seems you are misguided on this subject to me.
05-12-2021, 09:11 AM
#27
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Or you, as the business owner, can go flip your own burgers if nobody wants to work for the measly wages you're paying. Or you can close shop due to labor shortages. Your choice.
I have a choice, that is the key here now isn't it.
UBI fails every time it has been tried. Fact.
Now get back to your frozen concoctions and the united thread.
05-12-2021, 09:15 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by Drum
You left out a lot. Your primitive almost toddler level example is an "all things being equal except labor cost" type example. Which is never the case IRW. That is why, over history, UBI fails.
Any expense I incur I will pass on to the customer. I can't operate for long at breakeven or below. My rates are not set they are adjusted - continually as my variable costs. Typically I never reduce price. Only when I get some fixed cost breaks, but those are fleeting. I'm not in the charity game, I am running a business for profit. There's also nothing stopping me from having one burger flipper flipping 190 burgs/hour and pay them 15/hr. I can always raise it to 20/hr if I need to keep them around. Rather do that than pay for 3+ working at 15. In the end a UBI hurts everyone. Unsustainable in an actual marketplace and economy.
Any expense I incur I will pass on to the customer. I can't operate for long at breakeven or below. My rates are not set they are adjusted - continually as my variable costs. Typically I never reduce price. Only when I get some fixed cost breaks, but those are fleeting. I'm not in the charity game, I am running a business for profit. There's also nothing stopping me from having one burger flipper flipping 190 burgs/hour and pay them 15/hr. I can always raise it to 20/hr if I need to keep them around. Rather do that than pay for 3+ working at 15. In the end a UBI hurts everyone. Unsustainable in an actual marketplace and economy.
05-12-2021, 09:30 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Except that the market doesn't bear that much money to flip burgers part time.
Price of a Big Mac in Australia is US$5.10 vs $3.99 in the US.
Apparently the market can bear it.
05-12-2021, 09:35 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by Hedley
If forced to pay a higher minimum wage you can also let the people working the counter taking orders go when you replace them with a kiosk that never calls in sick, ask for a raise, or requires time off work.
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