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Quote: Do you want automation to replace your job too, or just other people’s jobs?
Automation will be a large part of what happens in the work force maybe 50 years down the road. What and who gets targeted and eliminated? The low hanging fruit type min wage and entry level nug type work jobs - that is what goes first to automation.

No, our airline jobs are good for several decades. Not too concerned.

In my businesses we have automated what we could and it has worked well for us, saved us $$ and reduced personnel costs.

Quote: Jezuz, leave it to the delta nerds to derail a perfectly good thread about a billion dollar company asking its employees to work for free. The question is if a pilot comes in does he have to wear his double breasted jacket and hat? Or will the apron suffice? Does said pilot have to tell every customer about his military time? Is the rest of the staff required to call him by his military call sign?
I'm not sure who derailed the thread but it wasn't a delta person. Thanks for your salient contribution to the discussion.
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Quote: I wonder what Gunfighter will do with rents when the lower echelon of tenants double their pay due to a "livable wage"?. If I owned rental property that catered to these individuals I know what I would do.
Our multifamily properties are mostly Class B, so they fit above the minimum wage threshold. A higher minimum wage will create upward pressure on our tenants wages though. Roughly 1/3 of tenant wages goes to pay for rent. We will be collecting 10 days of pay at the new higher rate. On the storage properties, rents have been going up for the last three months, but there isn't any inflation in the economy...
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Quote: Our multifamily properties are mostly Class B, so they fit above the minimum wage threshold. A higher minimum wage will create upward pressure on our tenants wages though. Roughly 1/3 of tenant wages goes to pay for rent. We will be collecting 10 days of pay at the new higher rate.
Why is this? Because you can?
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Quote: Why is this? Because you can?
perhaps because his costs rise too. Mx repairman, utilities, taxes. IDK.
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Quote: perhaps because his costs rise too. Mx repairman, utilities, taxes. IDK.
Yeah, I have no idea either, I'm just curious. I'm not in real estate so there's much I don't know/understand about things like this.
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Quote: Jezuz, leave it to the delta nerds to derail a perfectly good thread about a billion dollar company asking its employees to work for free. The question is if a pilot comes in does he have to wear his double breasted jacket and hat? Or will the apron suffice? Does said pilot have to tell every customer about his military time? Is the rest of the staff required to call him by his military call sign?
hahaha. No love for this post I guess. I would say at a minimum the hat would have to be tucked into the back pocket of the roller bag, as they pulled it from table to table to clean….ok. Back to talking about minimum wage, you economist gurus.
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Did anyone volunteer for the skyclub? I want to know.
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The cliche of attacking those who "flip burgers" will never go away. Opponents of minimum wage get way too caught up on the concept of low skill. And they miss the point. Skills are obviously important and not all jobs are equal,, but labor is a commodity that should be compensated appropriately. The fact that you require employees to be at your workplace is value in itself. Their time is arguably just as important as any skill they are requiring. Walmart greeters, information desk clerks, parking attendants are paid to be in position...not necessarily their skills for saying hello, or you can't park there.

Attempting to trivialize someone's labor efforts is simply wrong. And no, I'm not implying that low skilled workers should be highly compensated, but the concept of a fair wage for a fair days work should be the standard. And that standard should be to to live with some dignity.Otherwise we start exploiting labor. Spare me the kiosk and automated argument. Businesses will do anything they can to reduce costs and overhead. They aren't withholding those machines because the goodness of their hearts. If they can do it and have the means, they eventually will.
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Quote: Why is this? Because you can?
Like tripled eluded to, expenses rise. Manager, leasing agent, maintenance, utilities, insurance and property taxes all rise with inflation. Rents increase to keep pace with the market a.k.a inflation. The only thing that doesn't rise is the monthly mortgage payment. That stays fixed based on the rate and loan amount on the day of purchase. That is where you make money over time in real estate.

For simplicity sake, lets say that for every dollar in rent, there is 50 cents worth of expenses and capital reserves, 40 cents worth of debt service and 10 cents of positive cash flow. Over time the pressure of inflation eventually doubles the cost of everything. We now collect $2 in rent instead of $1, expenses are now $1 instead of 50 cents. The debt service remains fixed at 40 cents because the loan payment doesn't change. Cash flow is now 60 cents instead of 10 cents or 600% greater. This is how inflation benefits property owners with sustainable amounts of leverage.

In addition, the value of the property has doubled, because the rents have doubled. If you put 25% down, you now have your original 25% back plus 100% of the original purchase price or a 400% return on your original investment. This is how you beat inflation with reasonable leverage on income producing real estate.

This type of financial education isn't taught in school. Students either learn it at the dinner table or must seek it out on their own. We should be doing more to educate our children on the basics of personal finance and economics. The more they know, the less likely they are to be taken advantage of.

<Political Rant> Racial inequality is being politicized do divide the country and occupy the minds of the population. This division and distraction is what keeps the elite in power. We should really be focusing on reducing "systemic poverty" thru financial education. The more people learn about how the system is rigged against them, the sooner it will be corrected to work for all.

Quote: The cliche of attacking those who "flip burgers" will never go away. Opponents of minimum wage get way too caught up on the concept of low skill. And they miss the point. Skills are obviously important and not all jobs are equal,, but labor is a commodity that should be compensated appropriately. The fact that you require employees to be at your workplace is value in itself. Their time is arguably just as important as any skill they are requiring. Walmart greeters, information desk clerks, parking attendants are paid to be in position...not necessarily their skills for saying hello, or you can't park there.

Attempting to trivialize someone's labor efforts is simply wrong. And no, I'm not implying that low skilled workers should be highly compensated, but the concept of a fair wage for a fair days work should be the standard. And that standard should be to to live with some dignity. Otherwise we start exploiting labor. Spare me the kiosk and automated argument. Businesses will do anything they can to reduce costs and overhead. They aren't withholding those machines because the goodness of their hearts. If they can do it and have the means, they eventually will.
There comes a point where the cost of labor exceeds the value of labor and replacing it with automation makes sense. In some cases supplementing labor with automation can improve the customer experience. Some automation actually increases the hourly value (productivity) of an employee, while reducing the number of required employees. The McDonalds kiosk has never gotten my order wrong, but mumbling through a face diaper has resulted in several mistakes. Without the order takers, the food preppers become more productive because they aren't remaking a burger without ketchup.
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Quote: If they are not getting stipend under UBI they must work.
So what you're saying is, you want the UBI to go away so that these lazy bastards are forced back into your sweat shop. Kind of a modern version of institutionalized slavery or indentured servitude, don't you think? Especially since many governors and even the POTUS seem to be supporting it. Our system in this country is so whack sometimes. No wonder we're the laughing stock of the world.

Oh let's also remember that these "burger flippers" you look down on also save nothing for retirement, have no paid maternity/family leave, and either have no healthcare or are on social programs. USA is the only country for that too.
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