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06-21-2021, 10:39 AM

#31

JamesBond

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Originally Posted by Foggles

I converted dead center in the middle of my IQ training footprint for a new fleet. I called training accommodations for a myriad of problems with the hotel and my calls were returned or emails responded to within the day. We were eventually moved to a new hotel without further prompting. The training planner responded to an email prior to training and addressed whatever the issue happened to be. I went through IQ without a single schedule hiccup and finished on the date and sim period it said I would two months ago when I received the training award footprint email.

I am not connected to anyone here.

I would hate to see what’s going on behind the curtain at AA if you think it’s going truly down the Olympic ski jump hill here.

Well first of all I didn't say things were going downhill here like an Olympic ski jump. Nothing of the sort. I will say that the way the VEOP was handled with other parts of the company vis a vis the training planners and OE planners etc, there was a huge brain drain and the entire department had to reinvent the wheel in many cases. I will essentially be halfway thru my seat lock by the time I get trained and OE'd. going on month number 4 at 350A, NQAT pay... The efficiency during the plannedemic was atrocious. DAL panicked way too early imho. I'm glad things worked out for you, but for many it has been a fustercluck of epic proportions. And I still say your contention that the OP was "hot garbage" is your own lack of clue.

06-21-2021, 10:46 AM

#32

OOfff

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Originally Posted by Crown

ask a pilot making 400K how badly he/she are treated at work. You'll find them. Perception of the individual is astoundingly skewed. Throw in a media/left narrative that anyone making less than 6 figures is somehow "oppressed" and you have a recipe for a class that thinks that McDonalds workers deserve to be able to buy a house on a job that takes zero skill.

I want hard stats that show oppression. You're good at spewing rhetoric; back it up with data

who is talking about oppression? And exactly what stats would you like that reference restaurant worker morale?

06-21-2021, 10:50 AM

#33

ERflyer

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Originally Posted by Foggles

This will go down as one of the most pointless threads in APC DAL subforum history.

We didn’t even make it 6 posts before a series regular tried to derail it into Red vs. Blue politics for absolutely no reason. OP’s take is such hot garbage it makes ghost peppers look sweet.

Was thinking the same thing.

06-21-2021, 11:21 AM

#34

CBreezy

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Originally Posted by NERD

You do realize that those billionaires probably took huge hits to their stock portfolios at the bottom last spring, so it makes sense that if they stayed the course they would have reaped huge gains in the stock market rebound.

Oh yes. I feel so bad for the billionaires who have an army of accountants and lawyers who likely moved their money in a way to show massive paper losses so not only trillions richer, they also now don't have to pay taxes for a decade.

06-21-2021, 11:52 AM

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JamesBond

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

I don't feel sorry for any of them anymore than hood rats feel sorry for me. I do wonder how they do it though. I thought it was really interesting that some of those tax returns were 'released' into the wild by the IRS. Has anyone you know ever seen even one of them? I would LOVE to take a peek at Mr Bezos' return just to see how he does it.

So don't hate the player. If you had the same options, you know you would take them.

06-21-2021, 12:18 PM

#36

MJP27

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

So you're saying when you were at the regionals or in the military, you had no desire to get hired at Delta because you weren't forced to live in abject poverty? You are seriously claiming that the ONLY way to force people to improve their station in life is to subject them to crushing financial positions? That's hysterically stupid.

First off, minimum wage jobs are meant to be temporary. Also, It may not be the motivator for some, but it is for many. Are you saying the lack of workers in this country isn't due to people still sucking on the governments teet?

06-21-2021, 12:19 PM

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TransWorld

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Originally Posted by Speed Select

The news mentioned something about a sick-out, and that AA is considering firing 3,000 employees?

Nope.

A lot of FO and CA are exhausted and maxed out. Some are crediting 200 hours for the month.

During the pit of COVID-19 AA has 3,000 takers of early retirement buyout packages. 1,500 were pilots within a couple of years of retirement.

During the pit of COVID-19 AA voluntarily and involuntarily furloughed 3,000 additional pilots. All have been called back. The schoolhouse is jammed, with a pile up of requal. waiting for simulator time. Should be through and everyone back on line in a couple of months.

OTS hiring is starting September. Remainder of the year plan to hire 300 pilots. Considering December is mostly closed down for holidays, the Sept - Oct - Nov will have about 50 starting every two weeks. That is about the capacity they had when everything came to a halt.

06-21-2021, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OOfff

I’m sure that no matter how poorly treated you are at work, no matter how many times management fails to give you the tools to do your job, and no matter how many times you feel wronged, you never give anything less that 110% at work.

how many times have you gone back and shaken hands with the passengers in the past month? Ever left the airplane before the last passenger?

I have a contract. I follow it.

So after extending into the FDP to get that last flight out of DTW to MCO at 2330, for those people who have been delayed 5.4 hours on getting down to the house of mouse for their vacation, only to not be able to push due to lack of ground crew, so now running over 1.7 late, finally get off the gate get to MCO and bang out fatigued due to the party going on at the hotel they put you in.....

The reward? A double dead head the next day, to a daytime rest period for a red eye trans con. Yea Team.

I know where you and some of the others are going with this - UBI. BTW it's nothing new. Maybe since you are "new" to this planet you are just discovering it. Been swilling around for decades. Been tried since 1917. Never seems to work out. Even Hillary gave up on it.

Here's a leftist POV:
https://jacobinmag.com/2017/12/unive...nequality-work

Trip you paying attention to sources here?

06-21-2021, 12:42 PM

#39

Speed Select

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

You got me. It was the hat and double-breasted jacket.

06-21-2021, 12:44 PM

#40

JamesBond

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Here's another thought for you to ponder. One of the 'problems' is that a significant number of LCPs have moved to different airplanes. That means the ones remaining will be jammed. Burnout can/does happen so some might be taking some time off to just go fly. Been there/done that. Also add in the fact that there are many greenies to be had and they aint getting to play as much as you might think.

But I am sure it is all managed.