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Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 3261660)
More of a philosophical discussion since the West Coast flying on the 717 doesn't exist anymore, but if that was bad what do you call today's 717 flying?
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 3261662)
Pure torment.
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I'd say that's true for August, but up until now, the 717 bid packet has been pretty dang good. I was doing 1/2/3 leg days which were done by 1200-1400. A decent amount of dh only day one and one done by 0830 on the last day....hopefully that comes back after August. Lots of TVC last month which is a great layover. I didn't think I'd enjoy this plane, but its much better than expected. Not sure about ATL.
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
(Post 3261669)
I'd say that's true for August, but up until now, the 717 bid packet has been pretty dang good. I was doing 1/2/3 leg days which were done by 1200-1400. A decent amount of dh only day one and one done by 0830 on the last day....hopefully that comes back after August. Lots of TVC last month which is a great layover. I didn't think I'd enjoy this plane, but its much better than expected. Not sure about ATL.
dtw has always had better trips vs Atl on the 717. Trips are worse , but generally the same flavor I had back on it in 2015. |
Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 3261564)
If I’m being honest, an airline career simply wouldn’t be worth commuting to. But that is just me and obviously tens of thousands of pilots make it work, many very happily. I also happen to live in a domicile that I’d live in even without this job, so that’s easy for me to say.
Any Internet advice from anonymous people who don’t know your situation (personality, family situation, likes/dislikes, finances, hobbies, etc.) is honestly pretty worthless. Even advice from one’s closest friends and family can tend to be advice those friends and family are really just giving themselves. But since you’re here asking…if I were living in LA and junior on the 320, I would stay put and let my seniority rise incrementally for the next couple of years. I’d avoid Virginia Ave and keep my powder dry (and seat unlocked) to get a sense of where this company and this industry and this country and NB big packs are headed. The ER category is nothing like it was even 10 years ago - the airplane wouldn’t draw me, and I wouldn’t find the seniority penalty to switch to it (I think you’ll rise faster on 320) worthwhile. Good luck to you - in the end there’s more than one right answer and you can enjoy any path you end up on.
Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 3261578)
Stating anonymous internet advice is worthless, is a pretty silly statement. The OP can use the experiences and perspectives of others to apply to his own personal situation/preferences, which can help him form his own decision. I've used this forum and others countless time to help form decisions through out my career, particularly the decision to skip Widebody FO and go for Capt.
Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk A little more info about me that will help, I'm 20 minutes away from LAX. So my commute cannot be beat. Got a family of 4, 2 boys (1 and 4 year old) and my hot wife. Don't mind spending time with my family and don't mind being away from them either. The 330 would be nice but I'd have to commute to SEA unless Delta decides to put it here. I think the 220 (more regional flying) is more of a possibility in the near future seeing how it was in the plans before covid hit. |
Originally Posted by PilotBases
(Post 3261631)
Doesn’t pay much more than 321/739 and typically you can get better seniority on those fleets, so easier to make money if you want. Also it’s marked as a shrinking fleet, so locking yourself to it for two years, plus until the next AE, then your conversion can keep you on it longer than you expect, not fun when it eventually sees more jets parked, you’ll be on a shrinking fleet as the unlocked people above bail out. A321 pays a hair less than 7ER, is continually growing, and in every base bad Seattle. If you don’t want one of the four corners, ER doesn’t do you much good. 73N also does some nice flying, transcons and islands, so you can get your fill there and again, historically be more senior. Other downside of ER is for newhires, you’re on training pay until done with TOE.
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Originally Posted by flyingmau5
(Post 3261691)
I actually switched from 73N to 320 couple AEs ago.
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Originally Posted by Bluto
(Post 3261697)
Was it worth it? I’m considering the move in SLC based on a long time in the same fleet and the plan to move up to widebody Airbus eventually.
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Originally Posted by flyingmau5
(Post 3261689)
Two different perspectives which I value tremendously. I try to gather as many perspectives/opinions and try to pick up the pertinent pieces that are relevant to me and weigh in my own pros and cons. I do appreciate the different viewpoints.
A little more info about me that will help, I'm 20 minutes away from LAX. So my commute cannot be beat. Got a family of 4, 2 boys (1 and 4 year old) and my hot wife. Don't mind spending time with my family and don't mind being away from them either. The 330 would be nice but I'd have to commute to SEA unless Delta decides to put it here. I think the 220 (more regional flying) is more of a possibility in the near future seeing how it was in the plans before covid hit. |
Originally Posted by flyingmau5
(Post 3261704)
For me yes, the 73 trips have gotten worse (more redeyes in LAX) and the plane is just god awful with the ancient overhead panel (Thanks SWA). You have to touch more switches/buttons on the 73 vs the bus to get the same results. Don't forget the poorly designed cockpit with minimal space. I'm no engineer but how does the 320 have space for 2 jumps + bag space for all pilots and the 73 can barely fit 2 bags with a jump. I've also heard the transition from 320 to 330 is relatively easy.
If there isn't a large gap of seniority between the two fleets, I'd go 320 with no hesitation. I transitioned (by force, thanks COVID) from the 7ER to the 320 at the beginning of this year. Despite my initial tantrums, I don't think I could be happier. The flying honestly isn't that much different on the 320 vs the domestic 7ER flying. A little more variety; more 'villes and 'burghs, some Mexico with lots of Florida, mid-cons, mountains and west coast as well. With the international all but dead on the 7ER right now (NYC may be a different story but I wouldn't know), I'm much happier with the seniority on the 320 than I was flying mostly 7ER domestic. Its meant a better schedule overall (even if you do have to suffer through the occasional 4-legger but... the 7ER had those too) and more GS opportunities, negating the slightly lower pay rate. Long term, what helped my decision to go 320B was that it sets you up nicely to go 330B or slide over to a 320A slot when the opportunity presents itself. Personally, I loved the 7ER category for the 6 years I was on it and am so thankful I had the opportunity when I did. I really thought long and hard about leaving. But it had changed so much (not for the better) over the last few years, especially recently. Coupled with the stagnant/backsliding seniority of a fleet in its twilight and it just seemed time to move on. The 320 sucks compared to the 757/767 but then, so does just about everything. Overall I've been happy with the move. |
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