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Trip7 04-12-2022 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3405227)
What retirement pay would you expect to receive?

I'm thoroughly confused as well.

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interceptorpilo 04-12-2022 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3405227)
What retirement pay would you expect to receive?

What I did or did not expect to receive is irrelevant. Trip’s post was misleading. He was trying to point out what a great deal we get in the form of disability and retirement. For people not familiar with Delta or who have never been on disability, his post was wrong. The point I was trying to make is that our early retirement requirement, biannual medical requirement and other features of our job such as requiring us to be away from family for about half the month, varying sleep schedules, the high cost of entry and inability to switch companies without losing almost everything due to the seniority system make our chosen careers unique. I wouldn’t pick another but when people talk about how awful the benefits of other careers are compared to ours they are simply not considering the severe downsides of ours.

Iceberg 04-12-2022 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by interceptorpilo (Post 3405235)
What I did or did not expect to receive is irrelevant. Trip’s post was misleading. He was trying to point out what a great deal we get in the form of disability and retirement. For people not familiar with Delta or who have never been on disability, his post was wrong. The point I was trying to make is that our early retirement requirement, biannual medical requirement and other features of our job such as requiring us to be away from family for about half the month, varying sleep schedules, the high cost of entry and inability to switch companies without losing almost everything due to the seniority system make our chosen careers unique. I wouldn’t pick another but when people talk about how awful the benefits of other careers are compared to ours they are simply not considering the severe downsides of ours.

But you didn’t say that. You picked a specific item and tried to parse words to insinuate “retirement” meant something other than the company contribution into a retirement account. The same retirement that all active pilots are receiving, and the same retirement that was being discussed in this thread prior to your attempt to call him out.

interceptorpilo 04-12-2022 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3405249)
But you didn’t say that. You picked a specific item and tried to parse words to insinuate “retirement” meant something other than the company contribution into a retirement account. The same retirement that all active pilots are receiving, and the same retirement that was being discussed in this thread prior to your attempt to call him out.

ok you got me.

theUpsideDown 04-12-2022 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by interceptorpilo (Post 3405250)
ok you got me.

It was pretty clear what trip was saying. Trip was not writing legal language for the contract.

What retirement did you think he was referring to?

interceptorpilo 04-13-2022 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 3405275)
It was pretty clear what trip was saying. Trip was not writing legal language for the contract.

What retirement did you think he was referring to?

Please read post #848. My point was clear. His was not and in 848 I detailed why.

FangsF15 04-13-2022 06:43 AM

Children... Y'all are arguing about a distinction without a difference. Let's move on, we are all on the same page.

JamesBond 04-13-2022 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by interceptorpilo (Post 3405182)
I am guessing most of your friends are not legally required to retire at 65 and have their job riding on a medical exam every six months.

I'm sure that is true, but what does it have to do with his quote? The 16% with zero required to match IS a smoking good deal.

interceptorpilo 04-13-2022 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3405484)
I'm sure that is true, but what does it have to do with his quote? The 16% with zero required to match IS a smoking good deal.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
There is no company match.



DL put in 16% even if you contribute 0%.

Speaking of, this is an incredible benefit. Most of my friends in other high paying industries haven't heard of 16% with no self contribution required

Above is the quote that I originally responded to. Trip was talking about a great benefit that his friends don’t get. It is irrelevant what his friends get unless taken in the context of a total career and the benefits of one as a whole versus the other as a whole.

jaxsurf 04-13-2022 08:32 AM

Why do we care what other people in other industries get?

Does their compensation and benefits have any bearing on what we’re able to negotiate for ourselves?


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