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Old 03-19-2022 | 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
D'oh. You're right.

Still, whats up with the "list rotation, and noop as soon as the list closes"

I hadn't looked at it that close at 0230, but it looks like the CA was rerouted prior to departure on his rotation to fly ATL-ORF, DH back vs a ATL-OMA turn. Hours before the GS went out.

ACE'd it with screen caps because it seems odd.

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if you see them noop a trip in a GS run, someone is due 23M pay. Submit an ACE
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Old 03-19-2022 | 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by StartngOvr
Please review 12. G. 9. I think you’ll find we DO have a mechanism in our “industry leading” contract that allows that.


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That doesn't override "when the parking brake ends without further expectation to fly, the FDP is over." It just means a reserve pilot can be assigned a DH immediately or given an assignment for 12 hours later.

And in terms of industry, some contracts the reserve pilot immediately reverts to airport standby. At least we don't have that.
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Old 03-19-2022 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr
That makes my hair hurt.

Definitely submit this thru the ACE App. I bet you’re due more than 10:22 reroute pay, but damned if I can prove it!
Already did right after we finally blocked in, and I was thinking the same as the RR was issued on day 1 of what became a 5 day trip.
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Old 03-19-2022 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I think in the next contract we should simply ban reroutes. If we all stand together on this with just a little help from the weather we can push this airline out of business in just a few years! What a great day that will be!
Wait, if we all refuse every reroute with a fatigue call starting right now we might be able to get it done by Christmas! Christmas off for everyone!
Troll. Nobody here would advocate for that. We all agree the company needs some flexibility, but there should also be financial incentives for them to either not RR or to minimize the disruption to a pilots schedule.
As it stands now we could eliminate all PBS bidding options expect sign in time and date as everything else is very much subject to the whims of the company.
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Old 03-19-2022 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
if you see them noop a trip in a GS run, someone is due 23M pay. Submit an ACE
I did. At current backlog its going to be 2-3 months before ALPA can get to it, but someone will eventually get paid.

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Old 03-19-2022 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
And don't forget 12.G.2 (Note three) for a hidden line holder gem.
That still doesn't change the fact that upon brake set with no intention to fly the FDP has expired.
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Old 03-19-2022 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
That still doesn't change the fact that upon brake set with no intention to fly the FDP has expired.
It does if the Company still has the intention.....
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Old 03-19-2022 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
It does if the Company still has the intention.....
Not if the parking brake is set and you aren't notified. The union via a company-approved communication says that when the parking brake is set and you have not been notified of an assignment, your FDP is over. Period. No exceptions.
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Old 03-19-2022 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Not if the parking brake is set and you aren't notified. The union via a company-approved communication says that when the parking brake is set and you have not been notified of an assignment, your FDP is over. Period. No exceptions.

Can you cite said communication?

The way I read this for a reserve doing their post flight schedule check they can be assigned more flying on the spot. Not saying I like it, just saying I think it’s kosher.


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Old 03-19-2022 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I think in the next contract we should simply ban reroutes. If we all stand together on this with just a little help from the weather we can push this airline out of business in just a few years! What a great day that will be!
Wait, if we all refuse every reroute with a fatigue call starting right now we might be able to get it done by Christmas! Christmas off for everyone!
What a maroon.

Yeah. Why don't you just throw out line bidding too. Everyone on reserve would ensure the company's long term survival. You should probably eliminate vacancy bidding too. It's in the best interest of the company to pick the best suited pilots to fly their airplanes, especially the big ones. Oh and while you're at it, you should probably eliminate seniority. Merit based upgrades like the ME3 would ensure only the best pilots who look out for the company's interests first serve as captains.

Who is this guy? Does your management seriously get on here just to troll you guys? Glad they have so much time on their hands.
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