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Wolf424 03-19-2022 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by Noworkallplay (Post 3391622)
Question to the DL group from a FDX guy.

We at purple are fighting the same fight with revisions and extensions. You would think wanting it fixed and a contract sooner than later would encourage people to fly there line. By adding extra flying via draft/GS you are condoning the extra abuse. Are you seeing a lot of your pilot group still flying a lot of “extra” flying voluntarily? Most in our group is happily still going above and beyond with a big Thank You from management.


It’s the same here a DAL. There’s a sizable segment of our group that’s addicted to green slips.

Gspeed 03-19-2022 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by Wolf424 (Post 3391632)
It’s the same here a DAL. There’s a sizable segment of our group that’s addicted to green slips.

Remember that there’s a difference between a line holder and a reserve doing a green slip. A line holder GS is helping to fix staffing the problem. A reserve GS is just pushing the issue down the road (and potentially making it worse for the company). Just sayin.

FangsF15 03-19-2022 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3391655)
Remember that there’s a difference between a line holder and a reserve doing a green slip. A line holder GS is helping to fix staffing the problem. A reserve GS is just pushing the issue down the road (and potentially making it worse for the company). Just sayin.

^^^^THIS^^^^. Work smarter, not harder.

notEnuf 03-19-2022 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3391655)
Remember that there’s a difference between a line holder and a reserve doing a green slip. A line holder GS is helping to fix staffing the problem. A reserve GS is just pushing the issue down the road (and potentially making it worse for the company). Just sayin.

Unless its a GSWC. How about IA?

Herkflyr 03-19-2022 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3391660)
Unless its a GSWC. How about IA?

The beauty of a reserve GS is that it is for all intents a GSWC--yet covered at the earlier GS step of trip coverage! Yes, I let the secret out, but that is it's true brilliance. I've long contended that a reserve GS should be coded differently in the daily trip coverage, just so guys get a true feel for what the trip coverage for that day is doing.

Regular GS: you've permanently solved scheduling's problem, albeit for double pay.

Reserve GS: you're only getting single pay above the reserve guarantee, but while you may be solving scheduling's problem today, you are also causing another problem for them down the road when you are NOT available to be assigned flying, because you got the payback days

Myfingershurt 03-19-2022 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 3391675)
The beauty of a reserve GS is that it is for all intents a GSWC--yet covered at the earlier GS step of trip coverage! Yes, I let the secret out, but that is it's true brilliance. I've long contended that a reserve GS should be coded differently in the daily trip coverage, just so guys get a true feel for what the trip coverage for that day is doing.

Regular GS: you've permanently solved scheduling's problem, albeit for double pay.

Reserve GS: you're only getting single pay above the reserve guarantee, but while you may be solving scheduling's problem today, you are also causing another problem for them down the road when you are NOT available to be assigned flying, because you got the payback days

Unless on those payback days you make yourself available for another greenslip…”then the thunder rolls!”

Whoopsmybad 03-19-2022 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3391333)
LOA 20-03 passed by 93 votes....not my definition of overwhelmingly

I was referring to 20-04. 20-03 was completely voluntary, no one had to do a thing. IMHO, it’s wasn’t a great LOA, but 20-04 made more sense and passed much easier.

iaflyer 03-20-2022 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr (Post 3391598)
We haven’t gotten ACARS messages for extensions in a while, at least I haven’t. They just update your schedule and expect you to show up. It’s on you to realize you’re going into an extension. Although the LATT worksheet on the dispatch release will show it.

If you’re not going to extend, you need to call and let them know the flight isn’t going, at least not going with you in the seat.

No, we still get the ACARS with the extension. I got one last week. It's pretty clear in the ACARS you can extend or decline the extension, if you are extending, you just have to ACARS back before you land. IF you're declining, then of course you have to decline it then, because you can't aren't going then.

Falcon20 03-20-2022 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 3391675)
The beauty of a reserve GS is that it is for all intents a GSWC--yet covered at the earlier GS step of trip coverage! Yes, I let the secret out, but that is it's true brilliance. I've long contended that a reserve GS should be coded differently in the daily trip coverage, just so guys get a true feel for what the trip coverage for that day is doing.

Regular GS: you've permanently solved scheduling's problem, albeit for double pay.

Reserve GS: you're only getting single pay above the reserve guarantee, but while you may be solving scheduling's problem today, you are also causing another problem for them down the road when you are NOT available to be assigned flying, because you got the payback days

I would like to see reserve GS or at least IAs always pay above guarantee even if it touches on call days. We are solving near term issues.

Crown 03-20-2022 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3391572)
There is nothing to explain..you are either fatigued or you aren't. The duty pilot isn't in the position to tell you how fatigued you are. You told him about the reroute, he reviewed it, and told you it was legal..what else did you think he would say?

I expected him to say "yes, this is legal, but in my opinion, you should call in fatigued."

I'm glad to see that the duty pilots won't help us make the tough decisions. Maybe, just maybe, I was looking for guidance. Instead, I was essentially threatened with "fly it, you're legal." Very regional-esque. But fine. Next time I'll just call fatigued. And when there's a threatening follow up, I'll say "Breezy says there's no gray area, even though I might be legal for it."


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