What support were you looking for? Was his statement you were legal for the reroute correct or incorrect? That fact your legal for the reroute has no bearing on if it’s safe and you should or should not accept it. When you refused it did he threaten you? Did you have a negative follow up with anyone from flight ops?

Just ask "is it legal to fly fatigued"?

You should also add, “This call is taped correct”. Now if you reported that day at 9 am and it’s noon and the reroute gets you done at 3 you might expect some follow up.

I called, to explain the situation, and that I was debating calling in fatigued. After he went over the extension legality and telling me I was good for several more hours, he said I could call in fatigued, but reminded me about 4 times that I was legal. When a duty pilot tells you a bunch of times you're legal, he's telling you to not call off, and that if you do, it's going to come back to you. You can disagree with me on this, but I'm calling it like it happened to me. So yes, forgive me if I'm afraid to call in fatigued, out of fear of pushback from management.

Btw Sailing, your comment about "was his statement you were legal for the reroute correct" says to me you'd push back on anyone who calls in fatigued. Nice job.

I'm not sure what the point of this is, were you calling for advice? Either call in fatigued or not fit for duty. No other reason to call the duty pilot. I'm not sure what you expected them to say.

There is nothing to explain..you are either fatigued or you aren't. The duty pilot isn't in the position to tell you how fatigued you are. You told him about the reroute, he reviewed it, and told you it was legal..what else did you think he would say?

Calls with the duty pilot are not recorded.

This is the problem right there. “I am fatigued”. Case closed. You asked for advice and he gave it.

Make a command decision. You’re a Captain, right? Or going to be?

We haven’t gotten ACARS messages for extensions in a while, at least I haven’t. They just update your schedule and expect you to show up. It’s on you to realize you’re going into an extension. Although the LATT worksheet on the dispatch release will show it.

If you’re not going to extend, you need to call and let them know the flight isn’t going, at least not going with you in the seat.

I don’t disagree with the bolded part.

Question to the DL group from a FDX guy.

We at purple are fighting the same fight with revisions and extensions. You would think wanting it fixed and a contract sooner than later would encourage people to fly there line. By adding extra flying via draft/GS you are condoning the extra abuse. Are you seeing a lot of your pilot group still flying a lot of “extra” flying voluntarily? Most in our group is happily still going above and beyond with a big Thank You from management.