From the perspective of a new hire this has not been my experience so far. I happen to have been exposed to United's new hire process (short of going through it myself) and found them to be very similar. One thing that stood out to me about indoc with Delta is how appreciative they were that we decided to choose them. This was not the language I was expecting from management, given Delta's reputation for wanting to "be the best." Some of the leadership even went as far to acknowledge that they know some of us may even leave to other carriers due to geographic (base) reasons but they also hope we decide to stay for the rest of our careers. Actually what is funny is that the one presenter that kept repeating that Delta is the best (perhaps besides the B-day ladies) and the gold standard and all that was the guy supposedly representing the FAA!

I also appreciated that current pilots stepped up and volunteered their wings to new hires given the supply chain issues with brass right now. I was very grateful to have had a wing ceremony and they kept mentioning they are planning something special for the new hires that weren't able to get one due to world events.

As a side note--UAL's 8 ball ceremony is a union event and not without it's controversies in the past. That's all I'll say about that.

Glad to hear new hires experiences are getting better. 5yrs ago it was more of the "y'all are lucky to be here". Maybe all those annual surveys are working. United alpa 100% had more of a feeling of union and looking out for each other (Yes, I worked under both) Just look at what United agreed to vs Delta during covid talks. There wasn't a single Delta captain I flew with willing to take an hr of reduced work to save anyone else from a furlough, unlike what United agreed to do. Sure they'll all claim they were protecting the pwa but it was just greed and selfishness.

remember LOA 20-03 voluntary scheduling options that would have saved some furloughs and barley passed 51-49 and the biggest gripe was some thought it might lead to having to sit an extra SC or 2 ( but it did not change the number permitted)

I don’t agree with your greed and selfish comments at all, as a whole. I know there will be exceptions, but the group voted overwhelmingly for the LOA. Most people I talked with about this were in favor of helping out in any way. What they were worried about is the way the bankruptcy pay cut that was agreed to and then more was taken. So it was a healthy amount of skepticism, but the company chose the direction more than the Union from what my reps told me. Which is in line with the MOAD before VEOP and all the other shenanigans.

Dude, this is such a ****ty attitude. And you guys wonder why “no one cares about the DZ’s”. You just can’t help yourself from shouting about how you had it worse. FFS. Education is one thing, but rubbing younger guys noses in it is entirely different.

Easy to say - after the fact - when you weren’t staring down the barrel of the gun.

This is so ironic, it’s pathetic. Talk about tone deaf.

I’m sorry for your experience, but mine was different. The vast majority I flew with voiced support for the UNAs. There were outliers, but I felt supported. Granted they could have voted differently, but I didn’t hear that.

I wasn't furloughed, nor a deadzoner. By all relative measures I've had a charmed career, for which I'm extremely grateful. However I'd say the same thing to guys hanging on to the pensions, SLI injustices, furloughs, whatever: let it go.

My grow up comment was in response to DM threatening 30 years of min effort. Maybe I mis-read his "fly the contract" stance, but it sounds like a lot of baggage to carry around for a long time.

Could management have handled it better? Absolutely, particularly with SILs or something similar a-la United. It was also an epic hundreds-of-parked-jets-tumbleweeds-in-the-streets period of time - easy to forget that after the fact.

This. Don't confuse my lack of a pity party for lack of compassion and support. I was all on board to take lower pay, cover health insurance, etc. Most "senior" pilots I spoke with at the time felt exactly the same way. Glad you guys are all back. I just flew with a UNA on my last trip and the dude was awesome. Much better to focus on what we have in common than what divides us.

​​​​​​I called my alpa rep after seeing several communications adamant about not reducing work to save UNA's and was told I was the ONLY person who had expressed a willingness to work less to save the UNAs. He basically tried to tell me how it was a bad idea and that it wouldn't work.....I was blown away. Thankfully the cares money kept everyone on board....

why would they go up when the Duty Pilot doesn't have your back?

Numerous convos with pilots + my own experience shows that calling in fatigued is still frowned upon, and while maybe not be punitive, "on the radar" is a very real thing

​​​​​​Everytime I've called in fatigued the duty pilot has 110% had my back. Never caught any flack from anyone afterwards either. As someone who was at one point a little paranoid at work, I simply don't feel any "threat" from my cpo. Nobody should be afraid to call in fatigued/sick...