How is it a slap in the face? Should Delta withhold all pay raises until we get a contract? Should they refuse to negotiate that the dispatchers until we get a contract? Business is business. If you want to play hardball, which we do, you have to be mature enough to see the company do what they have to do to recruit and retain people in other departments.

Good for the noncons for their raise, even though it's probably wholely inadequate.

Ed was just bragging on how well the airline is doing.

https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2022/03/16/the-pandemic-is-over-for-delta-air-flyers-and-a-european-land-war-isnt-putting-them-off-either/

4% ain’t gonna get it done.

Did the dispatcher fall into the list of ineligible employees?



Agree, glad to see them get a raise. We certainly have to be mature enough to play hardball with the few things we legally can do....will the pilots be willing is the question.

No. The point is, everyone else shouldn't be prevented from improved pay or QOL just because we haven't signed a contract yet.

This raise is peanuts. Pure optics. 4% at the high end is what, a buck or two? If anything they should be more concerned that this is what the company thinks of them. 4% doesn't "move the needle" in these times of inflation. Not going to help pay the bills, save for college, or offset the ridiculous prices at the grocery store. I think we should be more concerned with the 200+ million they just threw at Endeavor.

I've worked a job at close to min wage and got a 6% raise once. Didn't even notice it. To get wrapped up on this is silly. 4% is nothing. Probably still less than Ed's bonus in total.

Yup I'm with you on that part. I mean good on the dispatchers for getting the raise as well, it's just interesting that they extend the pay raise to one unionized group, but not the (only) other. In the end, this is small fries, but it's worth noting.

So two 4% raises since 2020 is a 8.2% cumulative raise. That would make 737/321 pay $309. That's just keeping up with the non-cons. Nevermind inflation (still a loss) and other pilot groups.

No. They didn't. I'm saying that noncons shouldn't be prevented from getting a raise and dispatchers shouldn't be prevented from negotiating or signing a contract just because we haven't.

Because our contract has been amendable since 2019.

Did you even read the rest of my post? I literally said I’m fine with the company giving raises to attract and retain noncon talent. But I do care when the company says we can’t do X because then we’d have to give it to the other employees also, only to turn around and then do X only for the noncons.

Also, nobody is saying the noncons should be prevented from getting raises until we get ours, but ours is 3 years overdue with no end in sight :rolleyes:

Then you should say the union should cave for 4% and call it good.. Business is business. The company is going to do what it has to do to save as much money on our contract as possible and we are going to try and squeeze as much out of them as we can.

And it's been amendable since 2020. And you can't count the year+ we were losing millions a day.

Not saying we should have, but if we wanted moderate gains, we could have signed before the pandemic. But we wanted to hit a HR. We made our bed.