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The issue as I see it, at this point, is we're in mediation. The mediator, if I understand it correctly, won't be using the data of other workgroups as a metric of our data. It's other airlines + walking it in from the two sides. If the company is saying "we won't budge on pilot pay" and the Union is saying "we're not budging", obviously that would lead to self-help. But we know the company is moving things at a glacial pace, because every day they do saves them money.
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Originally Posted by Crown
(Post 3390377)
The issue as I see it, at this point, is we're in mediation. The mediator, if I understand it correctly, won't be using the data of other workgroups as a metric of our data. It's other airlines + walking it in from the two sides. If the company is saying "we won't budge on pilot pay" and the Union is saying "we're not budging", obviously that would lead to self-help. But we know the company is moving things at a glacial pace, because every day they do saves them money.
The mediation is ironically making things harder to move quicker. |
Originally Posted by Tailhookah
(Post 3390273)
One other equalizer on our contract vs. United and AA is that Delta operates w/ 2 Captains on 4 man crews…. United does not and I think AA (help on this one) does not either. They operate w/ 1 Captain and 3 FO’s. So the 4 man crews essentially doubles the high paying potential of the Delta fleet.
Delta would have 34 Capts on those 17 aircraft making top pay. United would have 175 Capts on 175 aircraft making top pay. 34 vs 175....Not even close to being an "equilizer" Even when we have the 44 x A-350's that we are currently forecast to have...that would still be 88 DL Capts to 175 UAL Capts, so about half. |
Originally Posted by kb8018
(Post 3390367)
Ed stated this is a $300 million investment in everyone else. Remember the initial offer to us by the company in January 2020 when business was booming? $28 million in contractual improvements. How is that not insulting?
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Originally Posted by kb8018
(Post 3390367)
Ed stated this is a $300 million investment in everyone else. Remember the initial offer to us by the company in January 2020 when business was booming? $28 million in contractual improvements. How is that not insulting?
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 3390226)
No. The point is, everyone else shouldn't be prevented from improved pay or QOL just because we haven't signed a contract yet.
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 3390118)
But what will the pilots say?
Absolutely nothing. They will continue to whine and complain about the schedules, but then continue to get the "mission" done. Witnessed it firsthand. An individual agreed to an fdp extension then talked about being tired and how long their day was. It was pathetic. |
Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
(Post 3390390)
The $28M was only the value of the small handfull of sections that had been TA'd to that point...it was not the value of the company's entire opener.
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
(Post 3390413)
What was the value of the company’s entire opener?
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 3390320)
I agree with you. It just ****es me off that I pay DALPA over $600 per month to watch the non-union employees do better than us. I've said it before. We're better off with ALPA than without, the non-union are better off having us unionized than not, but the non-unionized are better off than us.
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