Not always.

 

Right, but in that example about losing reroute pay it does, that's all I was explaining. I don't understand why everyone just wants to argue everything online and get so pedantic about everything.

 

As mentioned above, on a credit-heavy trip (aka most trips on the 717), blocking extra time reduces trip credits, and credits are paid on the last day. For a RR that includes the last day/leg of the rotation, more credits = more RR pay. Even (and especially) when those credits come from days that weren't even part of the RR.

 

Because you're putting out wrong information. It's not arguing, it's trying to give people correct info to go off. Even if you're on a reroute, overblocking doesn't always result in losing credit at the end of the trip. It can be beneficial sometimes, and if people just took your comment as truth they could end up losing money.

 

I don't think he was putting out wrong information at all. If trip credits exist in a trip, overblocking WILL reduce those credits (except maybe MCD.) Block is always the first entry when calculating total pay for a trip, and credits come after.

Now if what you're getting at is delayed operations (which I wasn't talking about at least), that's a different (albeit related) animal.

 

That's not true. Read section 12 of the PWA. You have to know why you are getting credit for a trip. After completion of a rotation, a pilot will receive pay and credit for the greater of:
Rotation credit, or
The sum of the pilot's duty period credits, or
ADG, or
The sum of the pilot's DPMs, or
The sum, on a daily period basis, of the greater of:
A pilot's flight time, or
Minimum calendar day, or
The pay and credit determined at rotation construction

You have to know what each leg and each day is contributing and how it is contributing to the credit of the trip. Happy to eat crow if I'm wrong on this.

 

Bold is only true if the RR involves the last leg on the last day.

If you are RR'd mid trip, then rejoin and end up flying your original scheduled last flight on last day, it doesn't not .

 

Illustrate a single scenario where overblocking on a trip wouldn't reflect a reduction in trip credits when calculating the final L4 leg/pay for that trip (assuming no delayed ops or extensions to the trip.) Excluding MCD since that's basically treated like block for the day.

 

It is easier to put numbers to it. Say you’ve got a 16 block hour 4 day. So 5 hours of credit (the exact types of credit to get you to 21 hours isn't a factor. Let’s say you over block the first leg by 1 hour, then the rest of the legs are at or under block. So block + MU now equals 17 hours. Now your last turn gets swapped, magically for the same block as your scheduled turn. So you are due 50% of the block of those 2 legs (which is the same pay regardless of over/under block on any other legs of the trip). But you are also due 50% of any rotation credit. Had you not over blocked the first leg by 1:00 you’d get an additional 2:30 of RRPY on the 5:00 trip credit. But with the over block you are now only due 2:00 on 4:00 of credit. So over blocking lost you :30 minutes of pay.

Now, there are certainly scenarios where that overblock could net you more than an additional 30 minutes of RRPY, say if you got into EDP or some other duty period right that drove the trip value higher than the original 21:00. So there are a lot of things at play that doesn’t always make it a simple equation. But in general the theory is correct that habitually over blocking on a trip with credit will reduce that credit amount.

 

*insert mind blown emoji here*

Thank you all for dumbing it down for me. I had no idea RR could apply to credit beyond the specific rerouted days.