Agreed. I’m 100% in favor of fully monetizing that in our favor. I could (couldn’t?) care less about the little keyboard empire “good deal” scammers who auto accept every trip in the system with no intention to ever do, then act victimized when the chaos of the moment passes them up for something they never would have done anyway.

No one is advocating to just give that back for free. It’s a massive cost item. IMO we should harvest that cost for the benefit of the entire group. If we don’t, we will have to carry that cost on our side of the ledger for the entire pilot group so a tiny number of us can get paid for nothing on a technicality.

We shouldn’t give it away for free. We should all benefit from selling it.

Holy cow. You said the quiet part out loud.

Be prepared for getting lashed with a wet noodle for incorrect thinking.

I think for the masses, that was the rub wrt batch sizes. It wasn’t that we gave that back, it’s that we got absolutely nothing of value for it. We traded a bitcoin for a literal shiny penny.

Yup and many got lashed for saying that at the time.

We can agree to any set of rules we decide. We have 2 time frame ladders now. The ladders themselves are rules. Enforcing any of the rules is where the rubber meets the road. Changing from one set of rules to another only complicates things and erases precedent. COMPLIANCE is the issue not the rules.

So many of us just want GSs to be handled like they were. If you got a call it was yours. Auto-accept does that. I do a blanket green slip and always have. The company wanted automation and the deal included auto accept. Let's all just take a step back and see what the company's proposal is to fix their problem. None of this would be an issue if they had adequate automation designed around their needs instead of Icrew and an emergency lineman call out app. (yes, literally electric and phone lines down due to a natural disaster and a rotating call out app ARCOS was used to keep from pulling the same linemen regularly) The combination of an old scheduling system and a band aided app and call system from NOT the airline industry are not working harmoniously together. How is this an issue for ALPA at all? Deal makers have been around as long as I've been here an probably longer. That is an internal pro stans issue and will never go away. SS are an issue because they were not well thought out and diminish GS value for RES and GS opportunity for all (RES and REG) If there is no auto accept people will find a way to screen their GSs and the system will not improve... unless and until the COMPANY invests in a fix that is acceptable and compliant.

FIxing 23M7 is NOT THE ANSWER. Fixing the trip coverage process is. Trip coverage worked fine for 97 years of our history. We need to focus on how to get back to that, not fixing the process that allows the company to completely disregard it.

Focusing on the penalty is acknowledging and normalizing the presently broken trip coverage process. This is what ALPA needs to figure out with the company.

I'm all ears if you can find a solution but this is brought on by choices the company is making like batch sizes, how/when to run coverage, and skipping steps. That is NOT our problem to fix. IMHO And even if we do agree to a fix we are setting a precedent of accommodation. That surely won't back fire when we are presented with the next "problem." They need to own the consequences of their decisions.

So we've got votes to fix 23M7, and we've got votes to fix trip coverage. But to pull the truck out, you have to back the tractor even further back into the ditch.

The question people should be asking is why is there so much open time. If there was just a regular amount of open time, none of the rest of the stuff matters.

It’s almost as if it’s normally slow this time of year, and yet here we are with GSs going out daily and scheduling running afoul of the coverage award ladder just to desperately cover flying… It’s almost as if we need more pilots.

I enjoy the premium flying. Fly 70 hours of credit, then easy 2 leg 2 day GS for 90 plus hours. That’s my monthly formula especially in the slow months.

From the operations update sent via email on 10/15:

"We expect Oct. 17 to be our busiest day this month with 5,323 flights. That’s close to summer volume and a sign that our schedule is evolving from seasonal peaks to a more balanced distribution throughout the year."

Translation: The "normally slow time of the year" that October may have once been, is now on par with summer volumes. If you've been into any of our hubs this past week, you would have seen how inexplicably busy they were.

More pilots is great for seniority progression, but they can (and will) always run the schedule a little hot. Considering that our overtime here is voluntary, I don't see how anyone could complain about getting an (also voluntary) phone call. The only thing I ask is to have a fair shake at getting awarded the flying, and that it's done in a way that is congruent with the contract.

This was mentioned on the quarterly earnings call too. The "shoulder seasons" are a thing of the past.

Great!- time to offer the pilots more summer vacation weeks rather than all of them in October and February.

OK - whatever we do on this contract just remember, October has 31 days! :eek:

Scoop

6 IAs went out in my very small category on a single random weekday this past week.

Are spouses allowed to ride in crew vans (domestic)? Tyia

There's probably an exception somewhere, but yes.

Yes, but DL has left it up to the van company's discretion.

Had an FA bring her husband on a TUS overnight a while back. Van driver refused. I called scheduling who told me they left it up to the van company. Driver said the van company decided not to allow non-crew to ride along. I called the van company who told me they made it their policy not to allow non-crew members to ride along (insurance/liability whatever).

That was TUS last fall

The formula was actually changed in C19 to force more vacay into the summer.

This is an example of company stupidity. Even if they don’t put many vacation weeks in the summer, people are going to get their time off. Sick, fatigue, unable to commute…you name it. The company would be smarter to allocate plenty of vacation in the summer and at least be able to plan for it.

Apparent IT meltdown in progress. Hopefully this one doesn’t last long.

Yet another example of why we don’t need to worry about single pilot airplanes anytime soon.

MiCrew is in blue donut of death mode right now. How many GS are going out that I’m not getting called for?!

The good news is you’re not missing any GS, because they’re all going out as IA’s!

Mine says I’m not an authorized user.

Mine just did the same thing. Uninstalled and reinstalled and still same issue.

I'm on Android

That’s because it’s not an app issue. Is an issue with the backend systems the app uses to access data.

Uninstalled and reinstalled miCrew on my iPhone. Turns out I am now also not an authorized user.

Guess I’ll try again later.

Not that it's going to do anything for this issue, but on Android you can clear storage of an app and it has the same effect as reinstalling without as much hassle.

Because the current MEC Chair was on the NC last time around. I have a ton of confidence that the "MEC guidance", especially from the Chairman, to the NC will be a he!! of a lot more pilot-centered as opposed to 'solve-the-company's-problem-for-them' -centered. Just one opinion.

Agreed. We are well positioned given the fact EC was the NCC and is now MEC Chairman. We've got a good group in the NC as well. Based on the survey they just put out, it was well done, I am confident the MEC and NC will have a cogent, unified message to bring to the table come April '26.

I have confidence in EC. The inevitable "let's make a deal" call will come from EB. EC needs to know, and we need to make him aware, he is supported and that's through demonstrations of unity. (pins, stickers, meeting attendance etc.) There is always an end around run when negotiations grind to a halt. A strong leader works for the group and not for himself or expediency. Strong support makes strong leaders.

Sounds like the company is back to turning trips into Silver slips if people are washing PB days on them.

This is my shocked face :|

Source?

filler

This has been going on for at least a few weeks now.

Last I saw the scheduling committee had gotten the company to stop. It is still just a WB-only thing right now?

350B friends and seeing a bunch of PVG trips now soaking.



I think so because I've seen PB day washing going on the 717 and no soaking trips.

It makes sense for the company to target WB trips since they pay so much more than domestic. I feel like the only way to avoid this if it’s happening in your category is to use a trip that touches a black day on the reserve grid. When the trip goes qualified because it can’t straight up drop the trip and rather just goes straight to another pilot on the WS, it never touches OT even for a second. Thus it cannot be tagged as a SS.

Hopefully this drives more people to push to eliminate SS in the next contract. Or at the very least add language that a trip cannot be tagged as a SS in the middle of a PCS run.

I can't help but ask what the highest day-1 value was on these trips you saw being washed.

There is a trip that has been cycling through the laundromat for several PCS cycles at 6:37. Last year I was able to wash one that was almost 7. That's as good as it gets, but it definitely beats turning it into a vacation day.

Nothing beats the 350 with day 1 values of 16. I'm guessing that's why there's a SS in ATL350B land.