Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
05-22-2024, 06:31 PM
#5471
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Fangs,
I'm well aware of the math and have read BS's explanation showing his work...but that is little consolation for having to play the bad/worse switch a-roo game every....single....rotation.....for months and months and months on end...hell there was a time I tried to use an APD for three months and couldn't even get that to go through becuase the numbes were so bad.
I'm well aware of the math and have read BS's explanation showing his work...but that is little consolation for having to play the bad/worse switch a-roo game every....single....rotation.....for months and months and months on end...hell there was a time I tried to use an APD for three months and couldn't even get that to go through becuase the numbes were so bad.
05-22-2024, 06:35 PM
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People are looking at the wrong data. You can’t just look at GS numbers now vs some other point in time. There are too many variables from each category’s staffing to block hour changes to unexpected summer TS in ATL (anyone remember that one?). The real question is would we have MORE green slips going out right now if we didn’t have SS specifically, or to a lesser extent second-day coverage. I firmly believe that if we didn’t have silver slips, that more GS would be going out. More reserves would be getting PB days, which in turn would drive more GS. Yes premium is being paid with SS, but overall it’s less total premium with reduced GS and better reserve availability.
I think that’s probably true. But quantifying it is nearly impossible.
I’ve been a big beneficiary of GS and Rolling Thunder. I’ve seen my gravy train slow down considerably from the “high water mark”. But I also think for all that, there are also a group of us who are seeing a concomitant increase in QOL and pay. So for the pilot group at large, it’s tough to say. I’d still venture it’s a net gain.
05-22-2024, 09:10 PM
#5473
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Does everyone forget about how the 18hr call-out has significantly INCREASED greenslips?!? So many people just love to find something to b**** about. I'm a RSV lifer and gs w**** at times. Anybody complaining about the new contracts RSV changes and thinking QOL has gotten terrible needs to do a little self reflection and figure out why they're really mad....we are finally "better" staffed. Probably the same people that b****** about being so short the last 5 years....
Thankfully staffing is adequate for PDs.
05-23-2024, 04:01 AM
#5474
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IMO... Absolutely go in or call your CPO to professionally and respectfully let them you know don't appreciate what is going on. Be specific. They CPO compiles pilot feedback weekly, and funnels a "sense of the group" from the masses up the chain. The more folks let them know of issues, like this, or uniform, or contract negotiations stalling, or whatever, the more it gets highlighted to the 4th floor. As long as you do it respectfully, you'll be fine.
I will say, just like 'positive' hotel FCR's, it shouldn't just be for negative stuff. Let them know when they do something right. Like when my wife got the big C, they were fantastic, and I let them know. They are human too, and the more postiive feedback they get, the mroe likely they are to do it again in the future.
Just my 2 cents. Did I mention be professional?
I will say, just like 'positive' hotel FCR's, it shouldn't just be for negative stuff. Let them know when they do something right. Like when my wife got the big C, they were fantastic, and I let them know. They are human too, and the more postiive feedback they get, the mroe likely they are to do it again in the future.
Just my 2 cents. Did I mention be professional?
05-23-2024, 04:36 AM
#5475
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These things somehow really hurt QOL for crewdog and notenuf, and thats reason enough for me.
#lessISmore
Dont even get me started on the trip mix that applies to about 14,000 of our 17,000 pilots. What an abomination.
05-23-2024, 04:56 AM
#5476
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Since we are *****ing about reserve I’ll say this. Why do you get an hour of pay if you don’t get used on short call but you don’t get anything extra if you get used? I’d like us to get an extra hour anytime we are on short call.
05-23-2024, 05:15 AM
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Agree. And commuters will thenceforth never have to commute in for SC because locals will bid for all of them.
05-23-2024, 05:27 AM
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It's designed to discourage excess use. The company won't, if they follow their own "we don't want to waste money" unnecessarily convert pilots if they don't think they'll be used
05-23-2024, 06:18 AM
#5479
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I think the affect on GS is very category dependent.
Last year? NYC 320 CA, commuter. Basically rolled thunder 7 months out of the year. I don't think I ever had a single month in my 2 years as a 320 CA that I actually flew only straight time for a month. There were multiple months where I flew nothing for straight time.
This year, NYC 7ER CA, commuted thru April, live in "Short call on my couch" range in NJ now. (55 miles to JFK, 45 to LGA, 30 to EWR).
There is basically 10 trips in Open time through JUNE. There are 20+ RES available most days. So not much in the way of greenies, but RES coverage is good enough that I was able to Swap with Pot and other stuff into a 85 hour month, without working very hard. I bid RES for JUN and SWP'd into a Spill HNL trip that pays 11 hours on my one day as a lineholder.. And has a 30 hour HNL Layover.
The 320, the only way I could manipulate my schedule was tactical greenslipping to get days I needed off.
78% on the 320 when I left. 81% on the ER now.
So same city effectively same category seniority, but ER vs 320 are 180 out.. I would have made more if I stayed a 320 Captain, but the bottom third of the bid pack is so much nicer on the ER. My initial award was 7 MEX trips. Even when I was a commuter, I loved those because while they are uncommutable, they are gentlemanly uncommutable, not getting up at 0330 in the pad to be in a cab by 430 for a 0500 LGA report.
320 2 day MEX vs 7ER 2 day MEX
320
0500 LGA report. Fly LGA-DTW then DTW-MEX
24h layover. Same hotel (nice) as ER
MEX-MSP, MSP-LGA, 2300 land 2330 release
7ER
0830 JFK Report, JFK-MEX
24h layover
MEX-JFK, scheduled 2140 land, 2210 release, but usually a 2100 land. Now granted, you have to clear customs at JFK vs MSP but with global customs adds maybe 3 minutes to my time to employee bus stop over a domestic.
When I was commuting as an ER F/O, I'd SWP/WS to get 3 back to back MEX, night in MEX, night in pad, night in mex, night in pad, MEX, then maybe if I was lucky catch the last AA JS to ORF.
Last year? NYC 320 CA, commuter. Basically rolled thunder 7 months out of the year. I don't think I ever had a single month in my 2 years as a 320 CA that I actually flew only straight time for a month. There were multiple months where I flew nothing for straight time.
This year, NYC 7ER CA, commuted thru April, live in "Short call on my couch" range in NJ now. (55 miles to JFK, 45 to LGA, 30 to EWR).
There is basically 10 trips in Open time through JUNE. There are 20+ RES available most days. So not much in the way of greenies, but RES coverage is good enough that I was able to Swap with Pot and other stuff into a 85 hour month, without working very hard. I bid RES for JUN and SWP'd into a Spill HNL trip that pays 11 hours on my one day as a lineholder.. And has a 30 hour HNL Layover.
The 320, the only way I could manipulate my schedule was tactical greenslipping to get days I needed off.
78% on the 320 when I left. 81% on the ER now.
So same city effectively same category seniority, but ER vs 320 are 180 out.. I would have made more if I stayed a 320 Captain, but the bottom third of the bid pack is so much nicer on the ER. My initial award was 7 MEX trips. Even when I was a commuter, I loved those because while they are uncommutable, they are gentlemanly uncommutable, not getting up at 0330 in the pad to be in a cab by 430 for a 0500 LGA report.
320 2 day MEX vs 7ER 2 day MEX
320
0500 LGA report. Fly LGA-DTW then DTW-MEX
24h layover. Same hotel (nice) as ER
MEX-MSP, MSP-LGA, 2300 land 2330 release
7ER
0830 JFK Report, JFK-MEX
24h layover
MEX-JFK, scheduled 2140 land, 2210 release, but usually a 2100 land. Now granted, you have to clear customs at JFK vs MSP but with global customs adds maybe 3 minutes to my time to employee bus stop over a domestic.
When I was commuting as an ER F/O, I'd SWP/WS to get 3 back to back MEX, night in MEX, night in pad, night in mex, night in pad, MEX, then maybe if I was lucky catch the last AA JS to ORF.
05-23-2024, 07:28 AM
#5480
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I cant wait to tell my reps that C2026 better include "improvements" to reserve like a 12 hour call out, getting rid of the 24 hour release, no more of that silly pay and transparency for shortcalls, and above all it better ditch the REROUTE/EDP/SIT/CARVE pay above the reserve guarantee.
These things somehow really hurt QOL for crewdog and notenuf, and thats reason enough for me.
#lessISmore
Dont even get me started on the trip mix that applies to about 14,000 of our 17,000 pilots. What an abomination.
These things somehow really hurt QOL for crewdog and notenuf, and thats reason enough for me.
#lessISmore
Dont even get me started on the trip mix that applies to about 14,000 of our 17,000 pilots. What an abomination.
A very important point - the majority of our Pilots are lineholders so improving the QOL for line holders results in the biggest improvements for the group as a whole.
Important point #2 - If and when reserve stops going senior will be the time to worry about reserve. The fact that so many senior Pilots bid reserve (myself included) leads me to believe that there are still plenty of opportunites for PB days and reserve is still a very good deal.
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