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tunes 05-25-2022 02:34 PM

Their management requested a meeting with the union immediately after the results were released


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ShyGuy 05-25-2022 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 3429563)
Alaska pilots have a lot more leverage than Delta pilots when it comes to the negotiating process and the chance of being released into a cooling off period and an eventual strike. Not because Alaska pilots are smarter or more united, but because the NMB would allow Alaska pilots to strike whereas they would NOT allow Delta pilots to strike.

I honestly doubt AS would be released to strike. Even if so, I could see the PEB stepping in and stopping it.


Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 3429570)
Alaska still doing baseball style arbitration?

No. There will be no arbitrated result this time. Part of the NMB process will require (some day) for the NMB to proffer arbitration. Either side can turn it down. There will be no arbitration.


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3429572)
It's untrue that Delta pilots would never be released.

So you're saying 20% of this country's flying would be allowed to stop flying? I have my doubts.

CBreezy 05-25-2022 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3429652)
I honestly doubt AS would be released to strike. Even if so, I could see the PEB stepping in and stopping it.



No. There will be no arbitrated result this time. Part of the NMB process will require (some day) for the NMB to proffer arbitration. Either side can turn it down. There will be no arbitration.



So you're saying 20% of this country's flying would be allowed to stop flying? I have my doubts.

I'm not saying we should expect to walk the like for months. I don't think it's unreasonable to think there is a chance, even if miniscule, for a strike. It's much more likely we will be ordered back to work under the PEB.

DALFA 05-25-2022 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3429652)
I honestly doubt AS would be released to strike. Even if so, I could see the PEB stepping in and stopping it.



No. There will be no arbitrated result this time. Part of the NMB process will require (some day) for the NMB to proffer arbitration. Either side can turn it down. There will be no arbitration.



So you're saying 20% of this country's flying would be allowed to stop flying? I have my doubts.

It would take at least a couple more years for the NMB to allow Alaska to go on strike with a 50/50 chance at the President blocking it. But they do have a realistic shot at it.

With Delta, the chance is so miniscule that it isn't a reasonable chance. Management knows this and so does ALPA.

marcal 05-25-2022 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 3429563)
because the NMB would allow Alaska pilots to strike whereas they would NOT allow Delta pilots to strike.

In 2005 or 2006 the NYC MTA went on strike illegally. Just because you are not given permission doesn't mean you can't do it. It just takes a leader that is willing to be a martyr.

Wolf424 05-25-2022 02:58 PM

When you think about it…

Say AS gets to the point of actually being released to strike, then it’s stopped by PEB.

What if the pilots don’t return to work? What are they going to do? Fire the entire pilot group?

This isn’t ATC controllers from the 80s. If AS fired their entire pilot group for striking, you might as well close up shop, because your airline isn’t going to survive. (Minus a bailout…which isn’t too far out of the question anymore post COVID)

Either way, it will never come to this. In the age of social media and instant access to information, AS will want to get this behind them very quickly. Even though we know they can’t strike…the general public does not. All they are seeing is “Alaska Pilots Vote to Strike”. That’s enough for the Smith family to pick a different airline for their vacation, “just in case”.

DALFA 05-25-2022 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Wolf424 (Post 3429669)
When you think about it…

Say AS gets to the point of actually being released to strike, then it’s stopped by PEB.

What if the pilots don’t return to work? What are they going to do? Fire the entire pilot group?

We're in the land of "IF" but if it were to happen then those pilots could actually be arrested and yes the airline would be shut down until pilots returned to work.

No real progress can be made in the amount of power each side has until the RLA is amended and a real threat of a strike is put back on the table. Not after 4-5 years of negotiations but after 6-9 months.

Baradium 05-25-2022 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 3429659)
It would take at least a couple more years for the NMB to allow Alaska to go on strike with a 50/50 chance at the President blocking it. But they do have a realistic shot at it.

With Delta, the chance is so miniscule that it isn't a reasonable chance. Management knows this and so does ALPA.

Alaska does a lot of essential air service style flying, Delta is more likely to be released than they are because every market we go, someone else does too.

Scoop 05-25-2022 04:20 PM

Guys keep bringing up a PEB or should I say "PEB! PEB! PEB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I thought that only triggers an additional 30 day cooling off period? Who has the 411 on what a PEB can and cannot do?

Scoop :confused:

DALFA 05-25-2022 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 3429701)
Alaska does a lot of essential air service style flying, Delta is more likely to be released than they are because every market we go, someone else does too.

The amount of EAS flying has absolutely nothing to do with it. I don't think you understand the NMB process.


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