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DALFA 05-25-2022 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by BCan (Post 3429823)
agreed and familiar.

You could also be fired.

Your chances of going to jail - zero.

If we want to speak in reality, by the time an injunction was issued…the damage would already be done with no winners.

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/11/n...er-strike.html

It's happened before. The only reason the chances of Delta pilots going to jail is zero is because the chances of the NMB releasing Delta pilots from negotiations is also zero.

Btw: A company could receive an emergency injunction in a matter of hours.

"If labor does not respond promptly to an injunction, the carrier's only legal recourse is to seek contempt penalties from the court...Contempt penalties may be in the form of compensatory fines for the plaintiff carrier, criminal fines, or incarceration to vindicate the authority of the court." - Hastings Law Journal

DALFA 05-25-2022 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by BCan (Post 3429807)
I’m not familiar with the case where 14000 pilots are arrested for violating a federal injunction…I’ll dig deeper.

I’m now scared straight…I just ordered a backup hat to make sure I don’t run afoul of Delta and go to jail.

I'm not familiar with a case where 14000 pilots violated a federal injunction so it's kind of difficult to find a case where 14000 pilots were arrested if 14000 pilots have never violated a federal injunction.

Baradium 05-25-2022 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 3429711)
The amount of EAS flying has absolutely nothing to do with it. I don't think you understand the NMB process.

I fully understand it. I am explaining why all this talk about never being released even if Alaska is makes no sense. We may be big, but we don't shut the country down if we stop flying. Alaska is one of the only ways into and out of some places q
and a significant source of supplies to areas that you can't drive to. There is much more reason to stop a strike by them than us.

Earthboundmsfit 05-25-2022 11:46 PM

Some of You guys are missing the bigger picture. This will make it MUCH harder for AS to get NHs onboard, not to mention ALPA reps will probably help, especially FOs get their apps out elsewhere combined w preferential interviews at legacies.

Plentyyyy of leverage without actually needing to strike. Doubly so in this unprecedented hiring environment.

crewdawg 05-26-2022 04:15 AM

What he said above. It's not necessarily about going on strike as it is messaging to the public. If the public thinks there is a chance of a strike (they don't understand RLA), they'll think twice about booking on Alaska...that alone generates leverage.

hvydvr 05-26-2022 04:50 AM


Originally Posted by Earthboundmsfit (Post 3429859)
Some of You guys are missing the bigger picture. This will make it MUCH harder for AS to get NHs onboard, not to mention ALPA reps will probably help, especially FOs get their apps out elsewhere combined w preferential interviews at legacies.

Plentyyyy of leverage without actually needing to strike. Doubly so in this unprecedented hiring environment.

I think the Atlas union was helping guys with apps to other carriers during the lengthy negotiations there. At this point in time, pilots are critical resources for the growth and sustainment plans for any airline. Alaska is in big trouble if they can’t retain their people.

Starcheck102 05-26-2022 05:46 AM

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How far apart are labor and management at Alaska?

Post consolidation, this tactic has only been effective in a limited number of circumstances. It has to be the end game in mediation, usually after several years of working with the NMB. For this to work, the mediator must feel confident that the pilot union is more committed to reaching an agreement than their counterparts on the management side. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, it’s my understanding that the two parties have only been in mediation since January, which looks like a fairly heavy rhetorical lift.

The Alaska pilots are lagging the industry in compensation, and earn about $19 less per hour than pilots at Delta.





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ApachePhil 05-26-2022 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3429830)
Tonight as pax were deplaning one of them asked us if Alaska was going on strike, so the general public at least has some sense that Alaska could be a risky bet.

For this reason alone, there needs to be a "statement" from ALPA/DALPA that we can refer the customers to. I can't imagine 14k different responses would do anything to further our case.

DALFA 05-26-2022 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 3429856)
I fully understand it. I am explaining why all this talk about never being released even if Alaska is makes no sense. We may be big, but we don't shut the country down if we stop flying. Alaska is one of the only ways into and out of some places q
and a significant source of supplies to areas that you can't drive to. There is much more reason to stop a strike by them than us.

We operate roughly 20% of domestic flights. If we stop flying it would cripple interstate commerce which is why the RLA was created in the first place. A few small communities losing air service due to a strike doesn't cripple interstate commerce. Sure, it negatively impacts those small communities but the RLA and NMB don't look at that. They look at the overall picture. If what you are saying was true then no regional airline would ever be allowed to go on strike and obviously we all know that's not the case.

interceptorpilo 05-26-2022 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 3429950)
We operate roughly 20% of domestic flights. If we stop flying it would cripple interstate commerce which is why the RLA was created in the first place. A few small communities losing air service due to a strike doesn't cripple interstate commerce. Sure, it negatively impacts those small communities but the RLA and NMB don't look at that. They look at the overall picture. If what you are saying was true then no regional airline would ever be allowed to go on strike and obviously we all know that's not the case.

I think you are missing the point. There are people who very well could starve if Alaska stopped flying there. I am pretty sure the RLA would be concerned about that.


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