Which is why 100% full retro is so important. Anything less is incentive to drag it out.

 

My personal barometer is that we'll likely be close when they finally close section 23.

 

They predicted 3 months to close section 23 6 months ago.

 

We’re so opposed on Section 23 I don’t see this resolving anytime soon.

 

Every year that our contract doesn't increase $800m, it's like giving the company 25 737 Max 10s. I predict we'll have a contract in 2027.

-jk. Sorta.

 

My personal opinion, for whatever you want to take it for… I think full retro is a pipe dream. There should be some reasonableness from both sides about exactly what Covid was… A black swan that made negotiating a contract and trying to plan for the future of the operation nearly impossible. Yes. I do understand the importance of retro. I just don’t see retro back to the contract’s amendable date as being realistic.

That being said I don’t think we’ll see a contract anytime soon. The economy is on a steady pace heading straight for a recession, the severity and length of which is still tbd. If you were in management shoes would you be willing to commit to big gains for your most expensive labor group at a time when the future is still uncertain? No. You drag it out until the recession hits and the bargaining environment is more favorable to you.

I’ll be pleasantly surprised if I’m wrong. I hope I’m wrong.

 

Hmm. So you are not on property and are going to another airline? Don’t think your “personal opinion “ counts for much.

 

What? I’m at Delta.

And my opinion counts as much as yours does on a quasi-anonymous message board. So I’m not really sure what you’re getting at…

 

There could be an argument made about the time under the actual CARES act and retro, I could see that. But it would be an argument that also has to address how we have a contract that should have been done in 2019, before any COVID stipulations. If the company wants to skirt out on full retro over the cares act time for PR/Political fallback- I see that, but the cost needs to be put into the contract so all pilots are made whole. It’s all in the accounting. No relief to be given by dragging feet is the only way the feet stop dragging. If the company needs relief, they pay to play.

 

My mistake. From some of your previous posts I thought you flowed to American. Your opinion and vote count as much as mine.