Contract Expectations
07-03-2022 | 05:58 AM
#31
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I'm not really sure where people are getting 30% from. From 2019 till today inflation has been ~15%. We're not getting 30%. 20% DOS, with full retro and a strong TA in other sections would get the job done. Plus a 4% per year minimum after that.
That's probably the biggest issue with the UA TA and the AA management offer - they're both being offered a small bump off today's current rates and ending up 18-20% higher in 2-3 years. Voting that in is completely locking in a loss of income due to inflation over the past 3 years. All the airlines have basically lost a contract cycle and we need a DOS pay increase that basically keeps us up with 2 contracts, one in 2019 and one in 2022.
That's probably the biggest issue with the UA TA and the AA management offer - they're both being offered a small bump off today's current rates and ending up 18-20% higher in 2-3 years. Voting that in is completely locking in a loss of income due to inflation over the past 3 years. All the airlines have basically lost a contract cycle and we need a DOS pay increase that basically keeps us up with 2 contracts, one in 2019 and one in 2022.
07-03-2022 | 06:09 AM
#32
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From: Pilot
07-03-2022 | 06:25 AM
#33
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My minimum is 35% over 3 years.
DC 25%
2 years retro from Jan 2021.. I’ll even give them a pass for 2020 due to COVID
vacation and training pay 5:15
adjustments to delta medical plans to bring down costs
PS commuting
reroute needs to pay double
scope needs to be a solid win for group with upside and downside protections
crew meals aka UAL and increase in per diem to $4 hour .. intl override needs bumped as well
the time is now, and yes the company can afford it.
DC 25%
2 years retro from Jan 2021.. I’ll even give them a pass for 2020 due to COVID
vacation and training pay 5:15
adjustments to delta medical plans to bring down costs
PS commuting
reroute needs to pay double
scope needs to be a solid win for group with upside and downside protections
crew meals aka UAL and increase in per diem to $4 hour .. intl override needs bumped as well
the time is now, and yes the company can afford it.
07-03-2022 | 06:47 AM
#35
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From: 320A
My minimum is 35% over 3 years.
DC 25%
2 years retro from Jan 2021.. I’ll even give them a pass for 2020 due to COVID
vacation and training pay 5:15
adjustments to delta medical plans to bring down costs
PS commuting
reroute needs to pay double
scope needs to be a solid win for group with upside and downside protections
crew meals aka UAL and increase in per diem to $4 hour .. intl override needs bumped as well
the time is now, and yes the company can afford it.
DC 25%
2 years retro from Jan 2021.. I’ll even give them a pass for 2020 due to COVID
vacation and training pay 5:15
adjustments to delta medical plans to bring down costs
PS commuting
reroute needs to pay double
scope needs to be a solid win for group with upside and downside protections
crew meals aka UAL and increase in per diem to $4 hour .. intl override needs bumped as well
the time is now, and yes the company can afford it.
07-03-2022 | 07:20 AM
#37
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From: 737 FO
Until recent developments at UAL and AA, I really haven’t given any thought to what my expectations might be for our future TA. The reason being I knew we didn’t have the leadership in place to facilitate a timely resolution to section 6 negotiations. Right or wrong for making that assumption nearly 3 years ago, I have been proven right in the sense that we are now approaching the the 3 year mark since our amendable date.
I thought back then that it would take 3 or 4 years of time value to walk back whatever table position we opened with to something within striking range of a position that represented sound fiscal governance from a corporate perspective. Clearly we are now in that window and developments at other airlines are indicating the same willingness of airline management to engage.
I thought back then that it would take 3 or 4 years of time value to walk back whatever table position we opened with to something within striking range of a position that represented sound fiscal governance from a corporate perspective. Clearly we are now in that window and developments at other airlines are indicating the same willingness of airline management to engage.
07-03-2022 | 08:00 AM
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The guy had a nice thread, y'all spoiled it, either work to get it back on track or be a pest on ur usual threads.
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