If the company feels that ALPA is being unreasonable wether that is true or not delay is their only tool. That’s the way it’s always been and sadly the NMB is quite content to be in bed with the company on parking negotiations long term. Our opener we admit was a huge ask. I am told we have dropped that ask considerably so the company strategy seems to have worked. That is why it’s important to factor time into the process. Time is not our friend and that realization is finally hitting home. You can see that in the forum posts and talking with other pilots. Covid obviously threw a wrench into everything and it’s difficult to factor it’s overall effect since there really was no precedent. Even without covid however I think we still would not have a contract unless we had made a massive drop in our ask. Go back and read our opener and ask yourself how much of that do you think we will obtain. A simple example is vacation. Our vacation opener I suspect very conservatively would require at least 1000 additional pilots. Anyone see that happening now?
Vacation opener:
Provide ADG pay for each vacation day
• Restore vacation week accrual to pre-bankruptcy level
• Increase flexibility, number and value of IVDs
• Require that vacation weeks are evenly distributed throughout the vacation year
• Expand vacation slide usage
• Improve a pilot’s ability to travel during their vacation
• Establish other improvements to vacation

 

You never get what you dont ask for. You say it's high but is it really? 🤔 I'd say it just gets us as a profession back to where we were in the early 2000's before the days of 9/11 and bankruptcy.

 

i hope lake mead also gets back to its high water mark, but I’m not optimistic

 

I dont mind FAs on here as a rule, especially happy to have a pro union FA. But we do have a union, and we do need to stay somewhat unified here for contract stuff. I cant tell you exactly what i expect in every section but I know I expect much less than most guys minimum on here.

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Shut up and color huh? Wow…you guys are on a roll today. How many creamers can I put in your coffee and how do you like your shirt ironed? Is that better for you?

The lack of pilots encouragement and involvement wasn’t “the” cause but when the difference was 160-170 swing votes and you had pilots telling FAs they don’t need a union and pilots in uniform showing up at anti-union rallies it sure makes you wonder.

During flight attendant union drives at other airlines the pilot group is almost always very supportive of the organizing drive and so is their union. Delta is the only airline I’ve seen where that isn’t the case. It explains why even most of the other pilot unions view DALPA as an “association” rather than an actual “union”. Maybe that also explains why there’s so much friction between FAs and pilots here at Delta. If you stopped thinking that you’re better than someone else simply because your paycheck is bigger than maybe that friction might actually go away.

Oh, should I also starch your shirt?

 

Have you tried the ignore post option on here. You realize you keep arguing with the same 5 posters. You aren’t changing each other’s minds. I appreciate your perspective and glad to have a counterpoint in discussions but how many times are you going to get sucked into the same debate.

Good luck with your union drive.

 

I never heard of a pilot attending those rallies. I really didn't even know those existed. Could it have been a management pilot? Maybe a 4th floor type? Could you please provide names, position, and numbers?

 

I don't have names but I have pictures somewhere (yes, they posed for pics and were posted on social media). I think I posted one of them on APC before. I can see if I can find that picture and I can PM you a link if you'd like.

It was originally posted here but the picture must have been deleted: Delta earnings report 4Q

 

Why? Are you stereotyping all Delta pilots by the actions of a few. If so, let's not stop there..."all FA's are bat shi* crazy....I mean after all, I have met a few who were. And they all have 10 cats! "

There is a Delta pilot(ex) who is in the big house for rape, kidnap and defecating on his spouse....I can send you the link or PM you if you want. Because , I mean, like, that proves it man. So, don't stop at "Delta pilots are anti-union" because they are rapists and felons too.

Look, this FA "union busting" is just like politics....one's position(pro/against) are gonna pizz off about half of the other side.

My suggestion is quit falling on your petard, you are smearing even the pilots who support your endeavors based on the actions of a few. I think they have a word for that.

 

you forgot comfort + or better for all deadheads. Otherwise it’s ok.