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Old 01-08-2024, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases View Post
When I see people start putting in random radials on reporting points for some reminder and the ND is cluttered with ****, I start to wonder if things are just done because button pressing is fun.
It's just busy-body pilot mentality. A lot of pilots just have to be doing something ALL the time.
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Old 01-08-2024, 06:22 AM
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When I see people start putting in random radials on reporting points for some reminder and the ND is cluttered with ****, I start to wonder if things are just done because button pressing is fun.
Do you send turbulence reports oceanic?
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Yeah, people have weird habits. It's like the guys who once on the WATRS spin the single engine drift down altitude and speed into the courses. Just a weird thing to do. Why don't they do that when they're crossing the Rockies and drift down might actually matter?
FL180 works in the continental U.S. and over water every time for driftdown I never really got the idea of keeping it at max single engine altitude. But I dont ever use the max altitude in the FMS either usually -2000. How many high altitude events have we had over the years? If I'm going somewhere with terrain boxes I use that procedure.
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Do you send turbulence reports oceanic?
No because New York Airinc doesn't have time for PIREPs on HF. They are to busy reading official weather advisories.
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Soooooo, those -1000s? Any day? We need the General.
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I never really got the idea of keeping it at max single engine altitude. .
It helps keep you clear of icing conditions, depending on the circumstances.

The dead engine on the 767 cannot be anti-iced and the icing can build up rapidly. This is all in the OE Guide.
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Originally Posted by notEnuf View Post
FL180 works in the continental U.S. and over water every time for driftdown I never really got the idea of keeping it at max single engine altitude. But I dont ever use the max altitude in the FMS either usually -2000. How many high altitude events have we had over the years? If I'm going somewhere with terrain boxes I use that procedure.
Another no-time bucket technique. It can be pretty far from land on some of those far east L-routes. Going to your max range SE drift down first gives you time to plan when dealing with an engine fire far offshore. Triage the jet, then drift down some more or accelerate as needed. On a SE, you’re probably not climbing back up to that SE optimum altitude you just left.
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Originally Posted by notEnuf View Post
No because New York Airinc doesn't have time for PIREPs on HF. They are too busy reading official weather advisories.
Not much different than a company reporting point that don’t coincide with the compulsory points.

They get plenty of data and updates from the compulsory waypoints.
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
It helps keep you clear of icing conditions, depending on the circumstances.

The dead engine on the 767 cannot be anti-iced and the icing can build up rapidly. This is all in the OE Guide.
Does the 767 fly WATRS routes now? When I was on that plane the fear was fliping it on it's back without Flash Gordan like reaction. I can't recall a single engine failure that resulted in a 767 in an unusual attitude though. Do you plot freezing levels too? I never did nor do I now on WATRS. With additional drag I think a lower altitude would be prudent. Obviously you will try to avoid icing but higher doesn't mean you are out of it. What if 10,000 is the ceiling and getting below it keeps you clear of icing?

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Originally Posted by Planetrain View Post
Another no-time bucket technique. It can be pretty far from land on some of those far east L-routes. Going to your max range SE drift down first gives you time to plan when dealing with an engine fire far offshore. Triage the jet, then drift down some more or accelerate as needed. On a SE, you’re probably not climbing back up to that SE optimum altitude you just left.
Yes it is a technique, that works in every jet I've flown. An engine out at altitude shouldn't be a rushed "no time" event. I can stabalize the aircraft and start down. 2 clicks and I have a max performance altitude should I choose to use it. I'll take the flight control effectiveness and stall margin of a lower altitude, fuel is no longer a concern other than balance.
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