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Originally Posted by CX500T
(Post 3527415)
Not super rare. Fairly senior FA (if not an area code, close) lives actually about five houses down from me. She has her grandkids on her travel bennies. I have not enquired how/why.
About 2-3 times a year, I see her show up with 2-4 grandkids in tow, headed to NYC to see a broadway show. Always a last minute listing, usually within 2 hours or less. I've met the mom. (she was outside waiting for them when they were returning from NYC, I was waiting on my wife to pull up. I know they are going to a show, because they've told me. I've had Grandma as a FA on one of my trips to CDG. This is an outstation where 50 seat RJs were the norm and 5-10 seats open was "wide open" for commuters pre covid. But I suppose you are going to want screencaps of the pages on travelnet before you aquiesuque that it is not "exceedingly rare" If I see it 2-3 times a year, FROM THE SAME PERSON on the late afternoon JFK or LGA flight from ORF, I'm sure it happens a lot more than I'm not aware of.. Senior person sitting reserve at home and listing at the last second? Yeah that happens. But when someone who I think (but do not KNOW) may be slightly creatively interpreting the rules does this for leisure all the time on short notice. |
Originally Posted by Fourpaw
(Post 3527437)
Easier said than done as interest rates top 7% on their way up to 9-10%. So easy to “move to base.”
Even if financially equivalent, moving to base won't ever be a consideration for a large portion of the pilot group because of outside influences that are a higher priority than Delta. The current industry staffing crisis requires that airlines and air lines cater to commuting employees. You can't keep the airline running without commuters, it's a fact. If the commute hassle becomes too great, they lose a significant portion of the workforce. If commuting becomes too difficult, new hires will look for employment closer to home. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the larger population in TX, FL and IL favor airlines with large bases in those states. NYC and LAX are a draw. The only way Delta remains competitive for new hires in a non-commuting world is with bases in TX and FL. Employing commuters is a choice and the company knows it. |
Originally Posted by FL370
(Post 3527450)
Were you aware of this when you accepted your employment?
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Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 3527406)
I know it’s a hypothetical, but curious about what you see as the solution?
It is what it is. Play the game…or not…or expend negotiating capital to alter the landscape.
Originally Posted by crewdawg
(Post 3527387)
I wish we had the option to use our current non-rev benefit OR 5 or so unrestricted positive space tickets per rider, per year.
I get that it is what it is, which is why I often choose not to play the game and buy tickets. My idea for a solution is the bolded part of your post and my post quoted above. I'd even be ok having a limit of say, 4 pass riders, under my option (not the current non-rev option). I understand I'm likely an outlier, which is fine, I'll just continue to buy my tickets and not let the employee, with a basketball team of kids, list last minute and blow up my plans. Like positive space commuting was, it's so much less stress that way. |
Originally Posted by CX500T
(Post 3527429)
Becuase I listed for the flight days out, saw who was listed, then checked on it as date of departure got closer. Not on there.
Lunch time, I check in. They're still not on there. At the gate, looking at the NRSA list.. Still not there (not even listed, never mind checked in) Just over an hour to push, BOOM. They are there. 15 minutes later they show up. So yes, I know it is a last minute listing. |
Originally Posted by Gunfighter
(Post 3527497)
Exactly!! Nobody wants to move out of a 2% mortgage into a 7% mortgage. Housing prices are still elevated and have to fall considerably before lateral housing moves are possible with similar payments.
Even if financially equivalent, moving to base won't ever be a consideration for a large portion of the pilot group because of outside influences that are a higher priority than Delta. The current industry staffing crisis requires that airlines and air lines cater to commuting employees. You can't keep the airline running without commuters, it's a fact. If the commute hassle becomes too great, they lose a significant portion of the workforce. If commuting becomes too difficult, new hires will look for employment closer to home. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the larger population in TX, FL and IL favor airlines with large bases in those states. NYC and LAX are a draw. The only way Delta remains competitive for new hires in a non-commuting world is with bases in TX and FL. Employing commuters is a choice and the company knows it. The old mentality of “We’re going to do nothing to accommodate commuters, and if you don’t like it you can just move to Atlanta.” won’t cut it here anymore. Delta needs to improve its commuting policies and/or base offerings if it wishes to attract the best possible talent in the years to come. United is exploring the idea of opening new pilot bases for this very reason. |
Originally Posted by ancman
(Post 3527566)
Delta needs to improve its commuting policies and/or base offerings if it wishes to attract the best possible talent in the years to come.
I’m not even being facetious; am I missing anything in the public messaging, compensation package, or company policies that leads others to believe otherwise? Are my years of service here an anomaly? |
Originally Posted by CX500T
(Post 3527429)
Becuase I listed for the flight days out, saw who was listed, then checked on it as date of departure got closer. Not on there.
Lunch time, I check in. They're still not on there. At the gate, looking at the NRSA list.. Still not there (not even listed, never mind checked in) Just over an hour to push, BOOM. They are there. 15 minutes later they show up. So yes, I know it is a last minute listing. Who cares if it’s a last minute listing, nothing wrong with it or against any rules. They’re exercising their seniority. I list last minute for flights all the time, changing my routing to ensure making a connection & probability of better seats..depending on the matrix of Equipment, Weather, loads, connection times, ect ect ect. AND…I might have listed, checked in & cleared security and be sitting at a gate and change my mind…list for a different flight and GASP…burn an S-2. It’s my right to exercise my seniority on my travel benefits as I see fit. As far as the Grandmother working the system to take her grandkids….blah blah blah….how do you know those kids aren’t her dependents. Lotsa grandparents raising kids. How do you know she didn’t adopt kids later in life. Exercise YOUR seniority as you see fit with within the rules and mind your own business when we exercise ours. Don’t like it? Buy a ticket. |
Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 3527572)
I haven’t seen signs that Delta believes it must do anything to attract the best talent…nor that it actually values or rewards talent.
I’m not even being facetious; am I missing anything in the public messaging, compensation package, or company policies that leads others to believe otherwise? Are my years of service here an anomaly? By the time our management team figures out that there is a need to make Delta more attractive to new hires, our competitors will already be well ahead of us. |
Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 3527572)
I haven’t seen signs that Delta believes it must do anything to attract the best talent…nor that it actually values or rewards talent.
I’m not even being facetious; am I missing anything in the public messaging, compensation package, or company policies that leads others to believe otherwise? Are my years of service here an anomaly? |
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