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OOfff 11-20-2022 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by ebl14 (Post 3535061)
Maybe think about this a little harder to understand how your view of what is “realistic” may be hindering our efforts at the negotiating table. If you really do believe your opinion of what is attainable at the table is accurate and is well below your co workers’ estimations, maybe just keep it to yourself on social platforms. Who knows, maybe the realist or even the optimist projection will prevail, win for all.

I’m confident that telling someone they aren’t getting 18% back pay for 3 years isn’t moving the needle at the table.

Iceberg 11-20-2022 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3535077)
I’m confident that telling someone they aren’t getting 18% back pay for 3 years isn’t moving the needle at the table.

But what does it accomplish?

OOfff 11-20-2022 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3535081)
But what does it accomplish?

idk man what does anything in our lives accomplish?

crazyjaydawg 11-20-2022 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3535082)
idk man what does anything in our lives accomplish?


That’s very gender presumptuous of you. I thought you were above using gender specific terminology.

ebl14 11-20-2022 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by MJP27 (Post 3535075)
Come on.......How do you know it is below his co workers estimations? Do you have access to polling data? Maybe it's people whose view of what is attainable is way above their coworkers estimations are hindering negotiations and a future deal.

I suppose we can hop on over to the management forums and see where they are pegging their worst case scenarios for this contract… oh wait, that’s right, they aren’t publishing their bottom line on the internet.

ebl14 11-20-2022 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3535082)
idk man what does anything in our lives accomplish?

If you are accomplishing anything it’s not anything positive for us.

freezingflyboy 11-20-2022 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3534986)
I am also expecting a $60,000 retro check. 18/5/5/5 starting in 2022 is a slap in the face. It’s time to pay up.

My expectation based on 18% and my own basic, back of the napkin math puts the average retro check north of $90k and counting. Aim higher.

Scoop 11-20-2022 10:44 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3535082)
idk man what does anything in our lives accomplish?


Just remember this, wherever you go - there you are.

Scoop

Scooter432 11-21-2022 12:03 AM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 3535114)
My expectation based on 18% and my own basic, back of the napkin math puts the average retro check north of $90k and counting. Aim higher.


most are easily owed 100k plus

gzsg 11-21-2022 01:56 AM


Originally Posted by Scooter432 (Post 3535147)
most are easily owed 100k plus

Given the $100,000 bonuses at PSA, Envoy and Piedmont, this is the absolute minimum retro for any Delta pilot.


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