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Flyweight 11-21-2022 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 3535335)
Its 40/10/10/10

But it only for me.

Only if the last 10 is paid in cranberry sauce.

hockeypilot44 11-21-2022 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3535236)
LOL That is the funniest thing I have read on here in months.

Why is that funny?

freezingflyboy 11-21-2022 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3535292)
Not freezingflyboy, but...

He said "retro check"....I take that to mean he is talking full retro for last 3 years since amendable date, where the "average" pilot earned $500K cumulative, not per year.

18% of $500K is $90K.

Real freezingflyboy here...

Nothing cosmic here. All I did was estimate that with a 20% raise your average line swine pilot was due a roughly $40/hour raise. Some more (Top 350A ~$70/hr, Second year 717B ~$25/hr). The multiplied that times 3 years of ALV. $40/hr x 72hrs/mo x 36mos = $103,680. Really opens the eyes to how much "value" this "management" team has been "extracting" from us with these drawn out negotiations. I'm very much in the FUPM camp.

I don't have the time, the resources nor the inclination, but certainly someone out there could figure it out down to per month per category. That might be interesting.

boog123 11-21-2022 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3535292)
Not freezingflyboy, but...

He said "retro check"....I take that to mean he is talking full retro for last 3 years since amendable date, where the "average" pilot earned $500K cumulative, not per year.

18% of $500K is $90K.

Then he’s gonna be disappointed when it really comes out how to calculate any yearly retro.

200k per year in 2019, 2020 and 2022 will be
12k each year at 6/6/6.

obviously dependent on whatever is agreed upon

interceptorpilo 11-21-2022 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3535222)
ethical? Seriously?

Ethics: a set of moral principles, especially ones relating to or affirming a specified group, field, or form of conduct.

When our negotiating committee from our UNION (our specified group) asks us not to engage in trial balloons on social media and then you do -especially to lower expectations- then yes you have engaged in what I think most would call an ethical violation. But you do you.

nene 11-21-2022 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by mulcher (Post 3535231)
So on our SWAPA union forum. We are hearing DAL is offering 35/8/8. They are calling it a Generational deal and could be complete by end of year. Thoughts from Delta guys or is this SWA pilots just spreading garbage.

Pretty sure that'd be done by the end of the week if offered.

Maybe they got Endeavor confused with mainline, happens all the time to pax.

hockeypilot44 11-21-2022 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3535384)
Pretty sure that'd be done by the end of the week if offered.

Maybe they got Endeavor confused with mainline, happens all the time to pax.

Not without retro it wouldn’t. FWIW, 35 percent over 4 years isn’t that much.

Big E 757 11-21-2022 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 3535372)
Then he’s gonna be disappointed when it really comes out how to calculate any yearly retro.

200k per year in 2019, 2020 and 2022 will be
12k each year at 6/6/6.

obviously dependent on whatever is agreed upon

If they assumed a 6% raise per year, that would be $72K.. 200Kx.06 + 200Kx.12 + 200Kx.18 right? It’d be a touch higher if you compound the 6%

Crown 11-21-2022 11:42 AM

how are you all calculating how much retro you'll get? Forgive me; I'm not very smart.

Big E 757 11-21-2022 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by Crown (Post 3535398)
how are you all calculating how much retro you'll get? Forgive me; I'm not very smart.

Everyone is just having fun with numbers because we don’t have any idea what the retro percent will be and how it will be calculated. I’d like to see something like I posted above yours where a yearly % raise is used, and compounded each year, but I honestly don’t know what will happen. A yearly percent raise will look smaller to the public, but the numbers for 2022 could hit 20%, if the number used is a reflection of CPI increases over the years and not a standard yearly raise like 3 or 4 percent. 3 or 4% for retro is going to be way, way too low for this pilot group.


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