Reminds me if the trip construction survey they did ten or so years ago. When they published it we looked schizophrenic.

“I want to come here, work and go home. We need more efficient trips.”
“We we need longer layovers. You can’t even drink a beer on these trips.”
“We need more block hours per day.”
“We need less block hours per day.”
“We need more five days, more than half this airline commute you know. If not for us you couldn’t keep these bases staffed.”
“Get rid of five days, you know more than half of us live in base. Tired of this airline bending over backwards for commuters.”
“Stop the downtown layovers. We need to be at a place we can grab something decent to eat and then sleep.”
“We need to be at the downtown layovers more, we need to be able to explore local restaurants and bars.”

I wish more people would do what you did. Maybe then we might start seeing some changes on the part of the Company.

”when any US originated flight departs the continental US, Hawaii or Alaska to a foreign country and vice versa, the minimum layover will be 25 hours”. Not rocket surgeon science.

Sounds good to me.

If people called in fatigued for fatiguing trips those trips will change. That’s a great thing.

However, we have people calling in fatigued all over the place to make a point. Muddies the water.

I don’t need 25 hours in Mexico. But I would want it in Hawaii.

BS flag thrown. Gonna need the evidence on that.

I'd rather have it in Mexico. We're never all going to agree on where we want to be or what kind of trips we want.

That's fine, but my point is that if you don't account for it, those trips will turn into (essentially) turns.

There are reasons that a layover in South America is 30 hours. It is because the airplane sits for 12 hours before returning to the US. That is not the case in Mexico.

At least in the near past - some SA rotations were/are 12 hours like Santiago.

Speak for yourself, I’ll take 25 hours in MEX anytime.

Exactly….+1

I just hope we didn't fall for the unacceptable "pay no credit" nonsense they tried to push last time.

I'll consider that zero gain in that section if it doesn't at least come with full credit towards the LCW.

The DH situation is similar. Zero excuse not to instantly get UAL parity as a worst case offer by the company. We shouldn't have to "pay for" that in any way. If there's so much revenue at stake, then we can get eye watering compensation for middle seats with full overheads.

Okay you got it.

What do you want me to give btw? Employee numbers, specific flight numbers, dates, easy to look up stuff on icrew? How would you like the info posted online here?

Because I got it on my MiCrew.

The company want to say publicly “we have the best compensated pilots in the pax industry”, not the “best treated”.

Money is not everything, they need to show good faith.

they should want to advertise that they have the “happiest pilots” in the industry.

You act as if you were gifted with some special ability to reach into the mind and body of every crewmember and know if a fatigue call is legitimate or not just by looking at their schedule. News flash. You can't.

bro, do you even fly?

They brag about it.

[QUOTE=DisMyGamerTag;3535967]Okay you got it.

What do you want me to give btw? Employee numbers, specific flight numbers, dates, easy to look up stuff on icrew? How would you like the info posted online here?

Because I got it on my MiCrew.[/QUOTE]

What are you saying? Pilots you were paired with fatigued out when, in your opinion, they shouldn’t have been fatigued by the rotation? I’m not trying to put any words in your mouth or argue, but when you say “I’ve got it on my MiCrew, it leads me to believe that it was your trips that fellow pilots fatigued out on. I’m just trying to understand your statement.

[QUOTE=DisMyGamerTag;3536124]Flight cancelled for lack of crew.

[QUOTE=Gunfighter;3536125]You would still get paid to deadhead back, if it happened at the outstation. Would you not? If your other pilot calls in sick or fatigued, right?

Reserves have no trip guarantee, and a reserve GS is treated the same so they would lose the pay/PB days.

A regular would get paid single pay for the scheduled trip plus single pay for the part they flew.

Both could result in loss of pay. Neither justifies that captain’s actions.

[QUOTE=DisMyGamerTag;3536124]”cool story”…well it really happened.

Capt was ATL based and picked it up as OOBGS…he drop into work for what was going to be a short flight ATL to JAX (I believe..it was somewhere in FL), shower overnight, then first flight back to ATL next day.

Flight was very late departure out of ATL and land after midnight.

FO lands from his LAX-ATL leg and calls in fatigued….flight cancels for lack of crew.

Can’t remember if Capt was REG or RES, but no rotation guarantee if RES.

No when asked for evidence, I said do you want me to go to MiCrew and get employee numbers, provide you with the flights, or any other data on the particular flights? What’s evidence does someone want on an anonymous website?

I said it happened because it happened. And it is being encouraged somewhere in the ranks as a way to stick it to the sodomizer or just get time off. Or I guess both? I’m not on Facebook to see whatever infamous page they got going there. It’s mostly newer guys l, but not totally.

I mean when someone looks at me and says I am thinking of calling fatigued on day 3, what do you think? That’s a you thing, I don’t tell people not to call in fatigued. Id call in for them if I thought they were, or call in sick for them, but not the other way around.

[QUOTE=DWC CAP10 USAF;3536136]Unrelated to Gameboy’s totally inappropriate judging of other pilots’ fatigue calls…this needs to be fixed.

I’ve been bitten by this 3 times over the years. Each time I was already to the airport, in uniform on an X day. It shouldn’t matter REG or RES, if a pilot volunteers to fly a GS they should be protected even if something else later screws up the rotation. 2 hours of suit up pay towards guarantee is unsat.

[QUOTE=DWC CAP10 USAF;3536136]I wasn’t on a gs on the out of station one but it was cancelled and I got paid for my next leg deadhead home. Just double checked. And it was on reserve

For the last 37 years, bro

For every fatigue call that you don’t think is legitimate there are 1000 GSs covering trips due to staffing problems. Do you really think your anecdotal stores are the norm? You must also think most people on short call don’t actually commute in for them. Or that we should all have to provide a Dr note for a sick call. What is it with the holier than thou pilots sniping at a small minority of other pilots and blaming us for what the company has created?

I’m proud of the fact that more of the newer guys/gals don’t hesitate to call in fatigued when they are. It’s far better than the “we must complete the mission” mentality that permeated this pilot group in years past.

The union puts out a document each month identifying some fatigue mitigation issues. I’m always aware of potential fatigue problems well ahead of my trip. I communicate that concern as soon as I meet the pilot I am flying with. That’s called good SA and CRM.

This is the way. Communicating possible fatigue issues is a way of guarding against expected threats. This is flat out encouraged as part of Delta’s TEM model and that’s as it should be. Fatigue shaming needs to go the way of the dodo.

Not to worry, I think everyone could see who the source of the questionable (at best) fatigue opinions were coming from.

I haven’t seen a single instance of an FO contemplating a tactical fatigue call out. Not once.

Only one guy fatigued on me and scheduling had run him so far around the town square that it was legit. He looked wrecked. He was going to take me home to base through a hub. Wake up and do the morning flight back to ATL.
Of course I wanted to go home, but dude, he was wrecked and if I take this guy flying cause he feels bad for me then I am just a selfish unsafe a-hole.

You don’t know what’s going on. Don’t question’s fatigue calls brothers and sisters…..and non genders

I'll take 25 hours in Mexico any day of the week. You do you though.

Give me Mexico over Hawaii any day. Way cheaper, better service, and less crowded.

Easily among the top 5 best layovers in the whole network

Where in Mexico is your favorite layover?

MEX

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Mexico City

Care to share why? I’ve done it once years ago and while it was nice, I wouldn’t have said nicer than PVR or Cabo. Always good to broaden one’s horizon a bit.