DeltaboundRedux

That was a thoughtful reply, and I don't disagree.

STILL:

The 18 months to mandatory retirement demographic is <5% of the pilot group. Their vote isn't going to swing anything.

18 mo to 5 yr - About 12% of the group. Still probably not a collective swing vote category for retro and pay, even if they vote as a monolithic block (and they won't).

<40's? I'd lump them into "the rest" categories. With a career span that could be 25-40 years, they've plenty of time to punt on any issue that's individually important to them to future contracts and take gains now.


If it goes to MEMRAT, I doubt any blocks of voting groups based on retirement ages will emerge. That sort of data would be fascinating, however. Not sure if the union could anonymize the voting data post-vote and conduct polls of the "yes" and "no" voters.

Probably not, as the ballots are presumably kept secret.

Jaww

Sailing, I have often disagreed with you in the past. As I’ve been here longer I’ve realized you are pretty sage in your info.

JamesBond

Along with the pay column. Three months of 2019 rates is pushing me to a no.

Hillbilly

If the MEC were to get the TA Language on January 9th, then they could vote on it on January 15th. If they simultaneously, shortened the Membership ratification window in accordance with the policy manual to 45 days instead of the normal 60 days AND opened the voting window the very next day on January 16th, the vote would close on March 1. The March bid period begins on March 2. I would guess that is why they are targeting Jan 9.

Gone Flying

how do you figure this is a signing bonus? A signing bonus would be more like what B6 has in their current TA. In their case CAs get 17k and FOs get 11K.

To me retro would present like back pay, which this appears to be. what we have is retro in every sense except one IMO…no 401K. That is it.

a concession is giving up something we currently have (like PB days). while a 4 year deal may not be ideal, I don’t really see how it is a concession.

palooza

3 months if this goes down as advertised with a TA by early January. I’m still curious what everyone thinks is the company motivation to complete language. I’m assuming it would be the same motivation that would get them back to bargaining in the event this eventual TA is not approved by either MEC or MEMRAT

JamesBond

It doesn't compound, and there is no associated DC contribution. That's how.

Annnnnnnnd, we REMAIN at 2019 rates until it is signed. At least 1/4 of the year will have gone by until such time.

Tick tock ALPA.... tick tock.

hockeypilot44

Yeah. Remaining at 2019 rates instead of the 14 percent additional bonus the company is giving in 2022 is the company making sure we know it’s not a retro check.

There is no doubt.

Viper25

Multiple reps are saying they are confident they can get the company to agree to 1/1/23 for the rates. I’ll believe when I see it but it sounds like there could be cause for cautious optimism on that front.

DeltaboundRedux

That is a happy thought.

Best to remember that the company, and it's negotiators, aren't all knowing gods.

"Ah ha!!! They agreed to an AIP and we'll save money for 3-4 months as those rubes discuss amongst themselves!".

It's a reasonable request. They'll probably honor it.