C066 Update
11-28-2022, 06:07 AM
#101
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,061
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
You misunderstand my point. I don't care about the MLOA any more than I do the LTD. Both instances allow an individual to accrue "benefits" that aren't available to all.....so, in that context, getting one's nose bent out of shape about someone doing ALPA work while on LTD ( with an offset) seems kinda minor(petty)
BTW...just because you know how to dance the waltz, doesn't make it available to all....which was part of the point re MLOA.
Maybe we are talking different things here?
BTW...just because you know how to dance the waltz, doesn't make it available to all....which was part of the point re MLOA.
Maybe we are talking different things here?
I once did some volunteering and this political stuff sucks you in. I know for a fact there are capable people who choose not to get involved because of the disfunction so this is what you end up with as the "cream of the crop."
Political operators horse trading committee chairs for personal advantage. It all really disgusts me. Thank gawd for MEMRAT and the wisdom of the collective.
11-28-2022, 08:01 AM
#102
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,919
Just about everyone who holds a class I medical can serve in the military, so classifying MLOA as “unavailable” to a lot of pilots is a bit misleading. True, there are good and bad consequences to choices everyone makes in and after high school.
I knew a successful 30-something Harvard grad who enlisted after 9/11 to go fight (and lose friends) in Afghanistan. The less adventurous could sign up to be a cook in the Reserves. The world is your oyster if you want to sit out for a while and let your seniority rise from the “sidelines”.
I knew a successful 30-something Harvard grad who enlisted after 9/11 to go fight (and lose friends) in Afghanistan. The less adventurous could sign up to be a cook in the Reserves. The world is your oyster if you want to sit out for a while and let your seniority rise from the “sidelines”.
11-28-2022, 09:53 AM
#103
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 5,568
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Same for those on long term MLOA...like those that chose to spend 6+ years back on active duty to get their active mil retirement....all the while missing the bad stuff at Delta(bankruptcy years) and waltzing back in with the seniority to go from flight engineer to captain.
That carveout, mandated by law, wasn't/isn't available to most pilots.
Jousting at windmills is cool. Almost endless possibilities for finding examples where I can feel wronged.
That carveout, mandated by law, wasn't/isn't available to most pilots.
Jousting at windmills is cool. Almost endless possibilities for finding examples where I can feel wronged.
I'm not a go out on mloa for 6+ years type...I'm a go out when we get activated, which for me has been during vacation bidding for going on 4 of 8 years I've been here. I shouldn't get punished with crap vacation because my deployments happen to fall during vacation bidding. I should also be able to vote on TAs as well since I'm only out for a few months and it all has a direct impact on me....especially if a MEC member ie able to get a promotion while on LTD.
Also, the law is only the MINIMUM that is required, the union can choose to go above that. So far, I've heard of no good reason why we're unable to vote on a TA. The reason is I've heard for the vacation thing is BS and is only held to discourage mloa.
11-28-2022, 10:44 AM
#104
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Joined APC: May 2015
Position: A350 Both
Posts: 7,292
Originally Posted by notEnuf
Unless of course he is the face of the union and the leader of our organization. Lead by example, right? It's the inside baseball stuff I don't approve of. He didn't bother detailing his situation in his campaign letter which he only put out near the end to placate the masses. He intentionally mislead by omission IMHO. I don't like the deception.
I once did some volunteering and this political stuff sucks you in. I know for a fact there are capable people who choose not to get involved because of the disfunction so this is what you end up with as the "cream of the crop." Political operators horse trading committee chairs for personal advantage. It all really disgusts me. Thank gawd for MEMRAT and the wisdom of the collective.
I once did some volunteering and this political stuff sucks you in. I know for a fact there are capable people who choose not to get involved because of the disfunction so this is what you end up with as the "cream of the crop."
Political operators horse trading committee chairs for personal advantage. It all really disgusts me. Thank gawd for MEMRAT and the wisdom of the collective.
11-28-2022, 10:47 AM
#105
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Joined APC: May 2015
Position: A350 Both
Posts: 7,292
Originally Posted by crewdawg
I'm not a go out on mloa for 6+ years type...I'm a go out when we get activated, which for me has been during vacation bidding for going on 4 of 8 years I've been here. I shouldn't get punished with crap vacation because my deployments happen to fall during vacation bidding. I should also be able to vote on TAs as well since I'm only out for a few months and it all has a direct impact on me....especially if a MEC member ie able to get a promotion while on LTD.
Also, the law is only the MINIMUM that is required, the union can choose to go above that. So far, I've heard of no good reason why we're unable to vote on a TA. The reason is I've heard for the vacation thing is BS and is only held to discourage mloa.
Also, the law is only the MINIMUM that is required, the union can choose to go above that. So far, I've heard of no good reason why we're unable to vote on a TA. The reason is I've heard for the vacation thing is BS and is only held to discourage mloa.
Like enuf said, it's disgusting.
11-28-2022, 11:18 AM
#106
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Joined APC: Jun 2019
Position: Currently freeloading
Posts: 528
Originally Posted by Gone Flying
this and certain leaves I do not understand.
For MLOA as long as you are off probation before you went on MLOA, you should still get to vote as you will be coming back to DL.
not sure how FMLA works but same thing, as long as you are off probation before you start your leave you should get a vote
for LTD I think there should be some kind of time limit like as long as you have not been out for more than X years you still get to vote. I get not wanting someone who has been out for 8 years and never coming back to have a vote, but just being out for a few months that happens to coincide with a vote should not exclude you.
For MLOA as long as you are off probation before you went on MLOA, you should still get to vote as you will be coming back to DL.
not sure how FMLA works but same thing, as long as you are off probation before you start your leave you should get a vote
for LTD I think there should be some kind of time limit like as long as you have not been out for more than X years you still get to vote. I get not wanting someone who has been out for 8 years and never coming back to have a vote, but just being out for a few months that happens to coincide with a vote should not exclude you.
Source, am disabled according to the FAA.
11-28-2022, 11:20 AM
#107
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
Posts: 4,429
Originally Posted by PilotWombat
This is exactly what happens. When you transition to LTD, you are given the option to remain as an "Active" member for three years and pay dues on any non-disability income but still have the option to vote, or to go "Inactive-Sick" and not owe any dues but also no voting. After three years, you're forced to go Inactive-Sick.
Source, am disabled according to the FAA.
Source, am disabled according to the FAA.
11-28-2022, 12:33 PM
#108
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 3,191
Originally Posted by PilotWombat
This is exactly what happens. When you transition to LTD, you are given the option to remain as an "Active" member for three years and pay dues on any non-disability income but still have the option to vote, or to go "Inactive-Sick" and not owe any dues but also no voting. After three years, you're forced to go Inactive-Sick.
Source, am disabled according to the FAA.
Source, am disabled according to the FAA.
11-28-2022, 12:35 PM
#109
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,130
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
So, now the follow on question is.....statistically, how many LTD pilots opt to pay the 1.8% to preserve their right to vote? I can make an educated guess and feel I could be correct within +/- 1 %.
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